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Subject: Re: Testposition endgame /difficult?

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 23:19:26 07/27/03

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On July 27, 2003 at 11:05:08, Peter Berger wrote:

>[D]8/5KBB/p4b2/1pp1kb2/8/1P6/1P5P/8 b - - 0 1
>
>That's Em. Lasker - Tarrasch, St. Petersburg 1914
>
>The position is won easily with 1...Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 -+
>
>But not with 1...Bxg7? 2. Bxf5 =+
>
>The pawn endgame is drawn: 2. ...Kxf5?! 3. Kg7 a5 4. h4 Kg4 5. Kg6! ( and not 5.
>Kf6? c4 6. bc bc 7. Ke5 c3 8. bc a4 9. Kd4 a3 -+, Tarrasch's idea) Kh4 6. Kf5
>Kg3 7. Ke4 Kf2 8. Kd5 Ke3 9. Kc5 Kd3 10. Kb5 Kc2 11. Ka5 Kb3 1/2-1/2
>
>The bishop's ending after 2. Bxf5 is extremely drawish because of the bishops of
>opposite colours.
>
>I only tried Yace so far that had a very hard time with this position
>
>852631702 14:51.1   0.45 20.  1...Bxg7 2.Bxf5 Bh6 3.Bc8 a5 4.Ba6 b4 5.Kg6 Bc1
>                               6.h4 Bxb2 7.h5 Kd4 8.h6 Kc3 9.Bc4 Kd2 10.Kf5
>                               Ke3 11.h7H Bh8H {80}
>
>How do other engines do? Please give them some time to see if they really keep
>Be6+ .
>
>Peter

GLC 3.00, AXP 1.47GHz, 24MB hash, likes Be6+ almost immediately (0.32 secs), and
sticks with it through 20 minutes.  It doesn't get the sequence required until
20 ply after 1:52.  Even then it has 2. Kf8 instead of 2. Kg6, but the next king
move is the correct 3. Kxg7, so this has the same effect in the end.

Cheers, Tim.  (GLC site --> http://www.7sun.com/chess)

Analysis:

 Game stage: Endgame
 Current eval: 0.797
 Ply   Time   Score   Nodes  Principal variation
  6   0.010  +1.234    5994  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 {ht}
  6   0.010  +1.234    8660  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 {ht}
  7   0.020  +1.134   23854  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxb3 3. h4 Bd1 4. Bg6 a5 5. Bxf6+ Kxf6
                               6. h5
  7   0.040  +1.134   29090  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxb3 3. h4 Bd1 4. Bg6 a5 5. Bxf6+ Kxf6
                               6. h5
  8   0.060  +1.190   42929  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxb3 3. h4 Bd1 4. Bg6 a5 5. h5 Bxg7+
                               6. Kxg7 Bb3
  8   0.060  +1.190   47472  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxb3 3. h4 Bd1 4. Bg6 a5 5. h5 Bxg7+
                               6. Kxg7 Bb3
  9   0.090  +1.167   75396  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxb3 3. h4 Bd1 4. Bg6 a5 5. h5 Bb3 6.
                               h6
  9   0.110  +1.305   92993  Bxg7 2. Kxg7 Bxh7 3. Kxh7 Kf5 4. Kg7 Kg4 5. Kf6
                               Kh3 6. b4 cxb4
  9   0.110  +1.305   96193  Bxg7 2. Kxg7 Bxh7 3. Kxh7 Kf5 4. Kg7 Kg4 5. Kf6
                               Kh3 6. b4 cxb4
 10   0.240  +0.905  224512  Bxg7 {--} 2. Bxf5 Kxf5 3. Kxg7 Kg4 4. Kf6 Kh3 5.
                               Ke5 Kxh2 6. Kd5 c4 7. bxc4
 10   0.260  +0.459  241257  Bxg7 2. Bxf5 Kxf5 3. Kxg7 Kg4 4. Kf6 Kh3 5. Ke5
                               Kxh2 6. Kd5 a5 7. Kxc5
 10   0.320  +0.661  295797  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 Kd5 5. Kf6 Kd4
                               6. Bf5 Bxf5 7. Kxf5 a5
 10   0.330  +0.661  303276  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 Kd5 5. Kf6 Kd4
                               6. Bf5 Bxf5 7. Kxf5 a5
 11   0.430  +0.713  406380  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Kf4 4. Bc2 Ke3 5. Kf6 Kd2
                               6. Bd1 Bg8 7. Kg7 Bd5
 11   0.460  +0.713  434388  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Kf4 4. Bc2 Ke3 5. Kf6 Kd2
                               6. Bd1 Bg8 7. Kg7 Bd5
 12   0.570  +0.722  542493  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Kf4 4. Bg8 Bxg8 5. Kxg8
                               Ke4 6. h4 Kf5 7. h5 Kg5 8. b4 cxb4
 12   0.640  +0.722  597125  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Kf4 4. Bg8 Bxg8 5. Kxg8
                               Ke4 6. h4 Kf5 7. h5 Kg5 8. b4 cxb4
 13   1.011  +0.624  954883  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 Ke6 5. Bf7+
                               Kf5 6. Bg6+ Kg5 7. Kf7 Bg2 8. Bc2 Bd5+ 9. Ke7
                               Kg4 10. Kd6
 13   1.111  +0.624 1056955  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 Ke6 5. Bf7+
                               Kf5 6. Bg6+ Kg5 7. Kf7 Bg2 8. Bc2 Bd5+ 9. Ke7
                               Kg4 10. Kd6
 14   1.592  +0.604 1534989  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 a5 5. Bf7 Kd6
                               6. Be8 b4 7. Kf6 Be6 8. Bf7 Bxf7 9. Kxf7 Kd5
 14   1.792  +0.604 1733782  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 a5 5. Bf7 Kd6
                               6. Be8 b4 7. Kf6 Be6 8. Bf7 Bxf7 9. Kxf7 Kd5
 15   2.673  +0.566 2619525  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 a5 5. Bd3 b4
                               6. Bc2 {ht}
 15   3.064  +0.566 2998674  Be6+ 2. Kg6 Bxg7 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg6 a5 5. Bd3 b4
                               6. Bc2 {ht}
 16  11.216  +0.474  10926k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg8 a5 5. Bf7 b4
                               6. Kg6 Kd6 7. Kg5 Ke7 8. Bc4 Kd7 9. Kf4 Kd6 10.
                               Kg3 Bf5
 16  11.997  +0.474  11672k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg8 a5 5. Bf7 b4
                               6. Kg6 Kd6 7. Kg5 Ke7 8. Bc4 Kd7 9. Kf4 Kd6 10.
                               Kg3 Bf5
 17  15.722  +0.475  15300k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg8 a5 5. Bf7 Kd4
                               6. Kf6 Kd3 7. Ke5 Kc2 8. Kd6 Kxb2 9. Kxc5 a4 10.
                               Kxb5 Bd7+ 11. Kb4 a3
 17  17.545  +0.475  17189k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bh3 4. Bg8 a5 5. Bf7 Kd4
                               6. Kf6 Kd3 7. Ke5 Kc2 8. Kd6 Kxb2 9. Kxc5 a4 10.
                               Kxb5 Bd7+ 11. Kb4 a3
 18  35.731  +0.474  34890k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Kf4 4. Bg6 Kg5 5. Bf7
                               Bg4 6. Bd5 Bh5 7. Kf8 Kf6 8. h4 b4 9. Bc4 a5 10.
                               Bd5 {ht}
 18  39.957  +0.474  38450k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Kf4 4. Bg6 Kg5 5. Bf7
                               Bg4 6. Bd5 Bh5 7. Kf8 Kf6 8. h4 b4 9. Bc4 a5 10.
                               Bd5 {ht}
 19 1:05.66  +0.874  63273k  Be6+ {++} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 b4 5. h5
                               c4 6. h6 c3 7. bxc3 bxc3 8. Kg6
 19 1:16.72  +0.873  73357k  Be6+ {--} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 b4 5. h5
                               c4 6. Bg8 Kd4 7. h6 Bc2 8. h7 Bxh7 9. Bxh7 c3
                               10. b3 a5
 19 1:19.34  +0.888  75810k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 b4 5. h5 c4
                               6. Bg8 Kd4 7. h6 Bc2 8. Bf7 c3 9. bxc3+ bxc3 10.
                               Bg6 Bxg6 11. Kxg6 c2 12. h7 c1=Q 13. h8=Q+ Kd3
                               14. Qd8+ Ke2 15. Qa5 Qc4
 19 1:19.35  +0.888  75810k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 b4 5. h5 c4
                               6. Bg8 Kd4 7. h6 Bc2 8. Bf7 c3 9. bxc3+ bxc3 10.
                               Bg6 Bxg6 11. Kxg6 c2 12. h7 c1=Q 13. h8=Q+ Kd3
                               14. Qd8+ Ke2 15. Qa5 Qc4
 20 1:35.22  +1.288  90399k  Be6+ {++} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5.
                               Bg6 c4 6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5
                               10. Bc2 a4 11. b4 Kc4 12. Kh6 Kxb4
 20 1:45.96  +1.287 100183k  Be6+ {--} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5.
                               Bg6 c4 6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5
                               10. Bc2 a4 11. b4 Kc4
 20 1:51.78  +1.326 105549k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bd1 c3 9. b3 a5 10.
                               Kf6 Kd3 11. Bg4 c2 12. Bf5+ Kd2 13. Bxc2 Kxc2
 20 1:51.78  +1.326 105549k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bd1 c3 9. b3 a5 10.
                               Kf6 Kd3 11. Bg4 c2 12. Bf5+ Kd2 13. Bxc2 Kxc2
 21 2:23.16  +0.926 133923k  Be6+ {--} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5.
                               Bg6 c4 6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5
                               10. Bc2 {ht}
 21 2:30.29  +0.927 140635k  Be6+ {++} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5.
                               Bg6 c4 6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5
                               10. Bc2 a4 11. bxa4 bxa4 12. Bxa4 Kd3 13. Bc6 c2
                               14. Kh6 c1=Q+ 15. Kh7
 21 3:23.56  +1.465 188980k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5 10.
                               Bc2 a4 11. bxa4 bxa4 12. Bxa4 Kd3 13. Kf6 Kd4
 21 3:23.56  +1.465 188980k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5 10.
                               Bc2 a4 11. bxa4 bxa4 12. Bxa4 Kd3 13. Kf6 Kd4
 22 4:05.74  +1.065 226478k  Be6+ {--} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5.
                               Bg6 c4 6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5
 22 4:19.79  +1.066 239450k  Be6+ {++} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5.
                               Bg6 c4 6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5
                               10. Bc2 a4 11. bxa4 bxa4 12. Bxa4 Kd3 13. Bb5+
                               Kc2 14. Kh6 Kb3 15. Bc6
 22 5:05.23  +1.356 280980k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5 10.
                               Bc2 a4 11. bxa4 bxa4 12. Bxa4 Kd3 13. Kf6 Kd2
                               14. Ke5 Kd3
 22 5:05.23  +1.356 280980k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5 10.
                               Bc2 a4 11. bxa4 bxa4 12. Bxa4 Kd3 13. Kf6 Kd2
                               14. Ke5 Kd3
 23 6:50.10  +1.756 373755k  Be6+ {++} 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5.
                               Bg6 c4 6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Bg6 c3 9. b3 a5
                               10. Bc2 Ke3 11. Bh7 Kd2 12. Bg6 c2 13. Bh7 c1=Q
                               14. b4
 23 11:59.6  +2.870 641937k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Kf6 b4 9. Bd1 b3 10.
                               Kf5 c3 11. Bxb3 cxb2 12. Ba2 a5 13. Bb1 Kc3 14.
                               Kf4
 23 12:17.6  +2.870 659471k  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Kf6 b4 9. Bd1 b3 10.
                               Kf5 c3 11. Bxb3 cxb2 12. Ba2 a5 13. Bb1 Kc3 14.
                               Kf4
 24 20:58.7  +3.268   1116m  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Kf6 b4 9. Bd1 b3 10.
                               Kf5 c3 11. Bxb3 cxb2 12. Ba2 a5 13. Bb1 Kc3 14.
                               Kf4 a4
 24 21:32.4  +3.268   1149m  Be6+ 2. Kf8 Bxg7+ 3. Kxg7 Bxb3 4. h4 Bd1 5. Bg6 c4
                               6. h5 Bxh5 7. Bxh5 Kd4 8. Kf6 b4 9. Bd1 b3 10.
                               Kf5 c3 11. Bxb3 cxb2 12. Ba2 a5 13. Bb1 Kc3 14.
                               Kf4 a4
Analyse>exit
 local:  t=32:26.0  nps=882480.4  n=1717322691 (36.4% / 63.6%)
 total:  t=1:07:13  nps=830202.5  n=3348040602
 stats:  fh=89.6%/3.93%/1.355%  draws=2351043
 trans:  probes=621787375  hits=180141504 (28.97%)  draft=140812857 (22.65%)
 tcuts:  exact=32580 (0.01%)  upper=107011758 (17.21%)  lower=28559039 (4.59%)
 tstor:  exact=23456 (0.01%)  upper=177198866 (67.47%)  lower=85402874 (32.52%)
 ext:  check=157107863  recap=6311918  ppush=9172169  1rep=3440777  thrt=0
 q-moves:  gen=288255658  tested=241651580  made/un=138582164  max-dep=8
 max eval diff:  part-1=7.133  part-2=4.680



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