Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:49:29 07/28/03
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On July 27, 2003 at 07:43:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On July 26, 2003 at 18:11:31, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On July 26, 2003 at 17:22:02, Russell Reagan wrote: >> >>>On July 26, 2003 at 16:25:37, O. Veli wrote: >>> >>>>Since it is hardware, can >>>>we expect to be stronger than top software? >>> >>>I would expect it to be slower than top software, because cpu improvements >>>happen so quickly, and FPGA programming (from what I've heard) is not a simple >>>task. If he spends another two years working on it before releasing it (as >>>Slater said), just imagine how much faster the cpus will be by then. >>> >>>If you're talking about something massively parallel like Deep Blue, that is one >>>thing, but a single PCI card? I doubt that is going to do any better than break >>>even with top of the line hardware, so why bother? IBM threw so much hardware at >>>the problem that desktop cpu improvements wouldn't catch up for a LONG time, but >>>a single PCI card doesn't seem to be worth the trouble of programming the thing, >>>because desktop/server cpus will probably outperform it before too long. >> >>Chrilly already has a project with a university to do 100+ PCI Brutus cards. >> >>It's hard to 'see' what your HW is doing, although Chrilly and Hsu had/have >>educated guesses. Chrilly's latest 'guess' was 3M nps. Junior & Fritz get more >>than that on pretty standard PCs nowadays. Even Crafty could get that nowadays. >> I truly believe that Brutus' eval is not as complex or as refined as *any* of >>those. > >Crafty is about what you make when you program for 1 day. Then why did it take you so long to add code for distant passed pawns? Pawn majorities? I've had it "forever". Isn't your program the one that thinks a queen vs two rooks is something like +4.0 for the queen? And exactly how many _day_ did it take you to come up with that beauty??? >I am sure brutus has more than that. In fact chrilly told something about it in >paderborn. > >You can compare Brutus more with an old DIEP version (but then using simple >rules) or with Hiarcs and a very good tuning than you can compare it with Fritz. > >Fritz really has *little*. But of course also way more than Crafty. About double >what crafty has. Can you stop with the "rectal math"??? (rectal math means pulling numbers out of your ____ .....) > >>But the same technology that makes CPUs faster, make FPGAs bigger & faster too.
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