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Subject: Re: Junior SSDF??? J5 vs nimzo98 8.5-3.5 and J5 vs Hiarcs6 15.5-4.5

Author: blass uri

Date: 22:57:23 10/28/98

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On October 28, 1998 at 23:36:21, James T. Walker wrote:

>On October 28, 1998 at 10:22:18, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On October 28, 1998 at 09:03:31, Reynolds Takata wrote:
>>
>>>1. With scores like this is anyone hypothesizing a SSDF rating for Junior?
>>
>>I think something close to 2660 ssdf performance based on 8.5:4.5 against Nimzo
>>and 15.5:4.5 against hiarcs
>>2445+220=2665(Junior5-Hiarcs6) ,2535+(1600/13)=2658.1(Junior5-Nimzo98)
>>
>>220=400*(15.5-4.5)/(15.5+4.5)
>>1600/13=400*(8.5-4.5)/(8.5+4.5)
>>Uri
>
>Hello Uri,
>Don't you think that's a little high considering it's played 8 games against
>Fritz and hasn't won 1 game yet ?  I'm playing Rebel 10 vs Fritz and the more I
>root for Rebel 10 the more I'm impressed with Fritz's tactical ability.  The
>last time I looked it was only rated 2574.
>Jim Walker

2574 is the rating for the old fritz5 and not for fritz5(16 bit)
I think fritz5(16 bit) is better than Fritz5 in the ssdf games.

It is also possible that Junior is better than Fritz5 against weak opponents.
I know that in the ssdf games fritz5 did a draw out of opening with white
against Mchess6(P90).
The engines did not play and only the books played.
I did not see something like this with Junior5.
If it evaluates repetition in the opening as best it will do repetition but I
think that there is no repetition in the book lines of Junior5.

Fritz5(16 bit) won the games against Junior5 not because of a tactical error of
Junior5 but because of bad positional understanding of Junior5.

I do not know what is the losing move of Junior5 but I found stupid moves of
Junior5 in the games it lost.

Bh4 with black in the first loss
Kh2 and other king moves in the game it lost with white
and Kh6 instead of Kh4 in the last game.


I think that Junior's style is not human style.
When Junior is losing games usually I finds stupid moves that Junior did without
problem(mistakes that I would not do in a game).

When Junior wins it is more because of human mistakes and it is not so easy to
find out what was the mistake of the loser.

Uri




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