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Subject: Re: Endgame position

Author: Ulrich Tuerke

Date: 09:11:21 07/29/03

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On July 29, 2003 at 11:59:06, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:

>On July 29, 2003 at 11:56:12, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>
>>Hi Uli!
>>
>>On July 29, 2003 at 11:50:14, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>
>>>>[D]8/p7/2K5/1P6/1k6/8/7p/7B w - - 0 67
>>>>
>>>>Is there an engine which sees that this is a draw? Here is the complete score:
>>
>>>Comet sees it (without TB); I guess, many engines will:
>>
>>At least Hossa and Fritz 8 don't.
>>
>>>Comet-B.60    Tue Jul 29 17:43:34 2003
>>>
>>>depth	score	  sec	  nodes		  pv
>>> 1.	-0.98	    0	       37	 h1e4
>>> 2.	-0.98	    0	      118	 h1d5  b4c3
>>> 3.	-0.84	    0	      594	 h1d5  b4c3  c6d6
>>> 4.	-0.40	    0	      991	 h1d5  b4c3  d5h1  c3d4
>>> 4.	-0.40	    0	     1750	 h1d5  b4c3  d5h1  c3d4
>>> 5.	-0.67	    0	     4167	 h1d5  b4a5  c6c5  a5a4  d5b7
>>> 5.	-0.67	    0	     7274	 h1d5  b4a5  c6c5  a5a4  d5b7
>>> 6.	-0.29	    0	    10668	 h1d5  b4c3  c6d6  c3d4  d5c6  d4e3
>>> 6.	-0.29	    0	    20066	 h1d5  b4c3  c6d6  c3d4  d5c6  d4e3
>>> 7.	-0.08	    0	    43767	 h1d5  b4a4  d5e4  a4a5  c6c5  a7a6  b5b6
>>
>>Do I interpret this correctly that Comet sees an advantage for black in the
>>first 7 plies? Bishop and pawn vs. 2 bishops?
>
>Yes, that's right.
>What have I done ?
>
>I guess, I'll have to have a look into the code to understand.  -:)



Looks like, it's black advanced passer leading to this score. The value of a
lonely bishop decreases in Comet's eval with decreasing number of pawns on the
board.

OTOH, Comet knows that king + bishop alone can never win. So there is an upper
limit of 0.0 for these kind of positions from white's point of view. White can't
move its king without loosing it's pawn, which is a draw. Black can't move its
king much either without loosing the game. It has to have a look on white's
pawn.

Thus, we see white bishop and black king moving back and forth, leading to
repetitions.

Uli
>
>Uli
>
>
>
>>
>>Greetings,
>>Steffen.



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