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Subject: Re: Endgame position

Author: Gerd Isenberg

Date: 11:19:37 07/29/03

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On July 29, 2003 at 12:11:21, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:

>On July 29, 2003 at 11:59:06, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>
>>On July 29, 2003 at 11:56:12, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Uli!
>>>
>>>On July 29, 2003 at 11:50:14, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>
>>>>>[D]8/p7/2K5/1P6/1k6/8/7p/7B w - - 0 67
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there an engine which sees that this is a draw? Here is the complete score:
>>>
>>>>Comet sees it (without TB); I guess, many engines will:
>>>
>>>At least Hossa and Fritz 8 don't.
>>>
>>>>Comet-B.60    Tue Jul 29 17:43:34 2003
>>>>
>>>>depth	score	  sec	  nodes		  pv
>>>> 1.	-0.98	    0	       37	 h1e4
>>>> 2.	-0.98	    0	      118	 h1d5  b4c3
>>>> 3.	-0.84	    0	      594	 h1d5  b4c3  c6d6
>>>> 4.	-0.40	    0	      991	 h1d5  b4c3  d5h1  c3d4
>>>> 4.	-0.40	    0	     1750	 h1d5  b4c3  d5h1  c3d4
>>>> 5.	-0.67	    0	     4167	 h1d5  b4a5  c6c5  a5a4  d5b7
>>>> 5.	-0.67	    0	     7274	 h1d5  b4a5  c6c5  a5a4  d5b7
>>>> 6.	-0.29	    0	    10668	 h1d5  b4c3  c6d6  c3d4  d5c6  d4e3
>>>> 6.	-0.29	    0	    20066	 h1d5  b4c3  c6d6  c3d4  d5c6  d4e3
>>>> 7.	-0.08	    0	    43767	 h1d5  b4a4  d5e4  a4a5  c6c5  a7a6  b5b6
>>>
>>>Do I interpret this correctly that Comet sees an advantage for black in the
>>>first 7 plies? Bishop and pawn vs. 2 bishops?
>>
>>Yes, that's right.
>>What have I done ?
>>
>>I guess, I'll have to have a look into the code to understand.  -:)
>
>
>
>Looks like, it's black advanced passer leading to this score. The value of a
>lonely bishop decreases in Comet's eval with decreasing number of pawns on the
>board.
>
>OTOH, Comet knows that king + bishop alone can never win. So there is an upper
>limit of 0.0 for these kind of positions from white's point of view. White can't
>move its king without loosing it's pawn, which is a draw.

Hi Uli,

really great! Is all that knowledge in static eval for this special ending,
bishop+pawn against pawns?

Regards,
Gerd


>Black can't move its
>king much either without loosing the game. It has to have a look on white's
>pawn.


>
>Thus, we see white bishop and black king moving back and forth, leading to
>repetitions.
>
>Uli
>>
>>Uli
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Steffen.



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