Author: Matthew White
Date: 17:16:59 07/29/03
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On July 29, 2003 at 16:53:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On July 29, 2003 at 03:15:54, Hristo wrote: > >>On July 28, 2003 at 19:12:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On July 28, 2003 at 17:34:46, Russell Reagan wrote: >>> >>>>Is there any reason to start new projects with C anymore? It seems like most (if >>>>not all) of the drawbacks of C++ have faded away with modern compilers. >>>> >>>>Note that I am talking about new projects, and maintaining old projects is >>>>obviously a good reason to still use C. >>> >>>If i would learn coding today i would prefer C++. >>> >>>However let's be clear, for good programmers there is not much diff between C >>>and C++. Every complex problem which you can solve in 10000 lines of C++ you can >>>solve in 10000 lines C too. >>> >> >>Vincent, >>with all due respect I must disagree. In 10K lines of C++ code one can solve a >>much more general or larger set of problem(s) or cram in more features. :) >>(think templates, exceptions, and often inheritance ... all of which can shorten >>your code) > >I do not know about you, but i program both in C and C++. > >Do you? > >Not a single program where you can use all the nice toys you can also make a few >functions for in C. > >In general the average programmed C++ program you program more compact in C. > >That's not what i'm talking about. > >If you do not know how to program in C, then just say it loud instead of writing >it down like this. > >the advantages of what you mention here (assuming 1 man products) you can show >great in 50 line examples or even 200 line examples. > >But as soon as you write a 10000 line product then it doesn't matter what you do >in C++. I can do the same in C too. No problem! > >>In your post, latter, you indicate that C++ offers some advantages over C, >>especially for large projects. In my experience this is %100 true, so we are in > >I see no other advantages to C++ than for big projects in fact. > >The advantage is *really* huge there for companies. > >Given the importance of those companies for the world, the choice to teach >students C++ instead of C is a logical choice. > >teaching them Java, delphi i find a bad idea. > The best reason that I see to teach students using Java is that Java gives you useful information when an error occurs (remember the first time you saw a segmentation fault how lost you felt?). Java has strong typing and it FORCES object orientedness. C and C++ are too frustrating for new programmers... Matt
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