Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:08:13 07/29/03
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On July 29, 2003 at 20:16:59, Matthew White wrote: >On July 29, 2003 at 16:53:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On July 29, 2003 at 03:15:54, Hristo wrote: >> >>>On July 28, 2003 at 19:12:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On July 28, 2003 at 17:34:46, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>> >>>>>Is there any reason to start new projects with C anymore? It seems like most (if >>>>>not all) of the drawbacks of C++ have faded away with modern compilers. >>>>> >>>>>Note that I am talking about new projects, and maintaining old projects is >>>>>obviously a good reason to still use C. >>>> >>>>If i would learn coding today i would prefer C++. >>>> >>>>However let's be clear, for good programmers there is not much diff between C >>>>and C++. Every complex problem which you can solve in 10000 lines of C++ you can >>>>solve in 10000 lines C too. >>>> >>> >>>Vincent, >>>with all due respect I must disagree. In 10K lines of C++ code one can solve a >>>much more general or larger set of problem(s) or cram in more features. :) >>>(think templates, exceptions, and often inheritance ... all of which can shorten >>>your code) >> >>I do not know about you, but i program both in C and C++. >> >>Do you? >> >>Not a single program where you can use all the nice toys you can also make a few >>functions for in C. >> >>In general the average programmed C++ program you program more compact in C. >> >>That's not what i'm talking about. >> >>If you do not know how to program in C, then just say it loud instead of writing >>it down like this. >> >>the advantages of what you mention here (assuming 1 man products) you can show >>great in 50 line examples or even 200 line examples. >> >>But as soon as you write a 10000 line product then it doesn't matter what you do >>in C++. I can do the same in C too. No problem! >> >>>In your post, latter, you indicate that C++ offers some advantages over C, >>>especially for large projects. In my experience this is %100 true, so we are in >> >>I see no other advantages to C++ than for big projects in fact. >> >>The advantage is *really* huge there for companies. >> >>Given the importance of those companies for the world, the choice to teach >>students C++ instead of C is a logical choice. >> >>teaching them Java, delphi i find a bad idea. >> >The best reason that I see to teach students using Java is that Java gives you >useful information when an error occurs (remember the first time you saw a >segmentation fault how lost you felt?). Java has strong typing and it FORCES >object orientedness. C and C++ are too frustrating for new programmers... > >Matt Strong typing was also Pascal's claim to fame. Thankfully it died a graceful death.
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