Author: Matthew White
Date: 19:10:11 07/29/03
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On July 29, 2003 at 22:08:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 29, 2003 at 20:16:59, Matthew White wrote: > >>On July 29, 2003 at 16:53:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On July 29, 2003 at 03:15:54, Hristo wrote: >>> >>>>On July 28, 2003 at 19:12:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 28, 2003 at 17:34:46, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Is there any reason to start new projects with C anymore? It seems like most (if >>>>>>not all) of the drawbacks of C++ have faded away with modern compilers. >>>>>> >>>>>>Note that I am talking about new projects, and maintaining old projects is >>>>>>obviously a good reason to still use C. >>>>> >>>>>If i would learn coding today i would prefer C++. >>>>> >>>>>However let's be clear, for good programmers there is not much diff between C >>>>>and C++. Every complex problem which you can solve in 10000 lines of C++ you can >>>>>solve in 10000 lines C too. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Vincent, >>>>with all due respect I must disagree. In 10K lines of C++ code one can solve a >>>>much more general or larger set of problem(s) or cram in more features. :) >>>>(think templates, exceptions, and often inheritance ... all of which can shorten >>>>your code) >>> >>>I do not know about you, but i program both in C and C++. >>> >>>Do you? >>> >>>Not a single program where you can use all the nice toys you can also make a few >>>functions for in C. >>> >>>In general the average programmed C++ program you program more compact in C. >>> >>>That's not what i'm talking about. >>> >>>If you do not know how to program in C, then just say it loud instead of writing >>>it down like this. >>> >>>the advantages of what you mention here (assuming 1 man products) you can show >>>great in 50 line examples or even 200 line examples. >>> >>>But as soon as you write a 10000 line product then it doesn't matter what you do >>>in C++. I can do the same in C too. No problem! >>> >>>>In your post, latter, you indicate that C++ offers some advantages over C, >>>>especially for large projects. In my experience this is %100 true, so we are in >>> >>>I see no other advantages to C++ than for big projects in fact. >>> >>>The advantage is *really* huge there for companies. >>> >>>Given the importance of those companies for the world, the choice to teach >>>students C++ instead of C is a logical choice. >>> >>>teaching them Java, delphi i find a bad idea. >>> >>The best reason that I see to teach students using Java is that Java gives you >>useful information when an error occurs (remember the first time you saw a >>segmentation fault how lost you felt?). Java has strong typing and it FORCES >>object orientedness. C and C++ are too frustrating for new programmers... >> >>Matt > > >Strong typing was also Pascal's claim to fame. Thankfully it died a >graceful death. It was good for teaching, though... Matt
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