Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:00:54 07/29/03
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On July 29, 2003 at 22:10:11, Matthew White wrote: >On July 29, 2003 at 22:08:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 29, 2003 at 20:16:59, Matthew White wrote: >> >>>On July 29, 2003 at 16:53:05, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On July 29, 2003 at 03:15:54, Hristo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 28, 2003 at 19:12:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 28, 2003 at 17:34:46, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Is there any reason to start new projects with C anymore? It seems like most (if >>>>>>>not all) of the drawbacks of C++ have faded away with modern compilers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Note that I am talking about new projects, and maintaining old projects is >>>>>>>obviously a good reason to still use C. >>>>>> >>>>>>If i would learn coding today i would prefer C++. >>>>>> >>>>>>However let's be clear, for good programmers there is not much diff between C >>>>>>and C++. Every complex problem which you can solve in 10000 lines of C++ you can >>>>>>solve in 10000 lines C too. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Vincent, >>>>>with all due respect I must disagree. In 10K lines of C++ code one can solve a >>>>>much more general or larger set of problem(s) or cram in more features. :) >>>>>(think templates, exceptions, and often inheritance ... all of which can shorten >>>>>your code) >>>> >>>>I do not know about you, but i program both in C and C++. >>>> >>>>Do you? >>>> >>>>Not a single program where you can use all the nice toys you can also make a few >>>>functions for in C. >>>> >>>>In general the average programmed C++ program you program more compact in C. >>>> >>>>That's not what i'm talking about. >>>> >>>>If you do not know how to program in C, then just say it loud instead of writing >>>>it down like this. >>>> >>>>the advantages of what you mention here (assuming 1 man products) you can show >>>>great in 50 line examples or even 200 line examples. >>>> >>>>But as soon as you write a 10000 line product then it doesn't matter what you do >>>>in C++. I can do the same in C too. No problem! >>>> >>>>>In your post, latter, you indicate that C++ offers some advantages over C, >>>>>especially for large projects. In my experience this is %100 true, so we are in >>>> >>>>I see no other advantages to C++ than for big projects in fact. >>>> >>>>The advantage is *really* huge there for companies. >>>> >>>>Given the importance of those companies for the world, the choice to teach >>>>students C++ instead of C is a logical choice. >>>> >>>>teaching them Java, delphi i find a bad idea. >>>> >>>The best reason that I see to teach students using Java is that Java gives you >>>useful information when an error occurs (remember the first time you saw a >>>segmentation fault how lost you felt?). Java has strong typing and it FORCES >>>object orientedness. C and C++ are too frustrating for new programmers... >>> >>>Matt >> >> >>Strong typing was also Pascal's claim to fame. Thankfully it died a >>graceful death. > >It was good for teaching, though... > >Matt Depends on your ultimate goal. If you are going to be a programmer, it is not the best way to go. If you program in Java for 4 years, then leave and go to work where they use C, you have a _long_ learning curve. You've never seen pointers, for example. We took a _lot_ of heat about that from companies like BellSouth.
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