Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: How much should the SSDF list Be Lowered?

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 16:48:19 07/30/03

Go up one level in this thread


On July 30, 2003 at 06:08:08, Sherry Washington wrote:

>Shredder is listed at 2800 on athlon 1.2, I don't think so. Personally I think
>the list should be lowered by 75 points. Not sure if even the 8 processor fritz
>is 2800

Not 2800 FIDE , but 2800 SSDF it is rated.  There is a miconception that the
SSDF reinforced many years ago.  They had computers play some humans to
"calibrate" the rating to the human scale.  I'm not sure why, but I guess they
felt the information would be more useful.  Then they reinforced that notion
again by lowering the ratings.  Once again, I would presume that they felt a
need to make the ratings look more human like.  Many machines were downgrade by
100 points or so.  Even if it did not play a game.  The problem of course is
that the machines are not playing humans.   The machines are also getting faster
every year or two.  There is no way a program that is run on 1/4 the speed will
keep up with a program running on a 4x machine -  everything else being equal.
With no human players in their little universe, the ratings are getting inflated
rerlative to human players.  One could argue that there is diminishing returns
for faster hardware vs human players, but versus slower hardware - faster
hardware is faster there is less noticable effect of diminshing returns.

This phenomena has been also noted in very small pockets of human players that
do not play anyone else from the outside. See related links about Claude
Bloodgood, a master level player who became the second highest rated player in
USCF while behind prison bars , playing just other prisoners.

http://home.adelphia.net/~dwedding/chess/bloodgood/bloodgood.html

and for those that want more detail

http://www.asigc.it/teoria/Unorthodox_4.htm

"Bloodgood continued to play offhand chess games within the prison walls
throughout the 1980’s, and by the early 1990’s decided to re-form the VAPEN
Chess club. This sparked yet another controversy that again drew national chess
attention to Bloodgood. During this time, Bloodgood held tournaments inside of
Powhatan Correctional Center. These tournaments uncovered a serious flaw in the
United States Chess Federation (USCF) rating system. It turned out that the USCF
provisional ratings formulas along with the ratings floors caused serious
ratings inflation if a small group played numerous games within a closed pool.
This is precisely what happened at the VAPEN chess club. As the VAPEN chess club
was, what might euphemistically be called, a "captive audience" with not much
else to do, Bloodgood and about twenty or so of his fellow inmates started
playing several rated games a day. This group had members that were playing
literally thousands of games a year. This caused their ratings to jump to
extremely high levels.

When it became obvious to Claude and VAPEN that the ratings formula was flawed,
they alerted the USCF. Unfortunately, the USCF could not correct the problem
quickly, and soon Claude Bloodgood was ranked second in the United States with a
rating of 2702. This triggered an outcry from some members of the United States
Chess Federation who alleged numerous unfair and untrue allegations that
Bloodgood was committing ratings fraud. This was, of course, not the case as
Bloodgood had alerted the USCF to the problem long before he ever reached the
stratospheric level of 2702. Bloodgood was also quick to admit to anyone who
would bother asking that he was over rated. His true ability at that time in his
life was probably high expert class to low master level. At his prime, in the
early 60’s, he was probably close to senior master strength."

This is a very similiar situation that SSDF faces. Call it the "Bloodgood"
effect.  Small pool of players, thousnads of games, faster and faster and faster
hardware.  Rating inflation is "built-in" by unintentional design.  But to
reduce the ratings of the old established computers that actually played humans
is not correct either.  If they want comparision to humans, they must play
humans.  Otehrwise they should just leave it alone - the "Bloodgood" effect on
computer ratings does not hurt anybody.







This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.