Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:34:26 08/02/03
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On August 01, 2003 at 19:02:18, Dave Gomboc wrote: >On July 29, 2003 at 15:40:25, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On July 29, 2003 at 03:51:58, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On July 29, 2003 at 03:25:07, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On July 28, 2003 at 19:58:20, Dan Simmons wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 28, 2003 at 16:22:14, mike schoonover wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>to have vincent or not to have vincent? >>>>>>i have'nt an answer. >>>>>>i do know this. >>>>>>if i pulled one tenth of the crap he pulls,i wouild be banned here, >>>>>>and persona non grata in every chess forum on the net. >>>>>>becuase i am mike,not vincent. >>>>>>regards >>>>>>mike >>>> >>>>>I think that those most opposed to Vince don't necessarily want him banned, they >>>>>just realize that if they posted the same, they would be banned. And this >>>>>upsets them. Everyone is equal, some are just more equal than others. >>>> >>>>Well said Dan & Mike. >>>> >>>>Suppose Bobby Fischer starts posting here, would he be banned after a series of >>>>anti-semitic rants? If the mods would ban him they will receive the wrath of >>>>CCC, you don't ban a celebrity. >>>> >>>>We all are going to watch the next fight of Mike Tyson even when he bites the >>>>ear of the queen of England. Celebrity cuddling is global annd part of human >>>>nature, this is what Mr. Skinner overlooked when he started his campaign. >>>> >>>>Ed >>> >>>There is a difference. >>>Vincent never was a world champion and never won an important tournament. >>> >>>I do not understand why people give him supercomputer for the next championship. >>>They could do better by giving the super computer to another programmer. >>> >>>Today the situation is not clear because we have inferior programmer with better >>>hardware so every result is not going to be a surprise for me. >>> >>>I think that Amir Ban or Stefan mayer kahlan or Fransh morsh or Johan de koning >>>could do better with the same hardware and if one of them was invited to work on >>>the super computer I could be almost sure that the super computer is going to >>>win. >>> >>>I do not understand why the rich people who have a lot of money to spend on >>>using a super computer do not hire one of the people that I mentioned. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Diep is the only program that can run on this supercomputer. Chessbase hired >>Donninger. I assume he cannot get it to work at the supercomputer very well. >> >>The King is not even parallel so i do not understand you mention him here, as it >>will take him 6 years to get it to work i guess. Apart from that it is inline >>assembly his code, still using the watcom c++ compiler as he knows how it uses >>the registers. >> >>Though i guess he has a C version too. >> >>Frans Morsch has his program entirely in assembly so not a single highend >>machine will be capable of running Fritz. >> >>Amir Ban is parallel let's see with what kind of machine he shows up. I am sure >>though that a 500 processor machine is a waste for junior because it gets too >>many nodes a second. Perhaps they can get it to work at a 32 processor machine >>or something. >> >>Shredder tried to get working over a netwerk. Failed. >> >>Chessbase saw this already years ago of course. So they hired Donninger to do >>the job. Let's see how many processors it will use in world champs. You know my >>table. My table assumes that phase 1 is getting it dual to work. >> >>Phase 2 is 4-16 processors. Phase 3 is 32-64 processors. Phase 4 is 128-500 >>processors. >> >>Let's be clear. Donninger has 192 processors to his avail there. Each processor >>is a fast Xeon processor. Not sure to what processor they updated it this time. >>Probably something like a 3Ghz Xeon. >> >>Wuellenweber planned in 2002 to put 100 cards in that machine. >> >>Let's see how many they can get to work at it and how efficient it will be. >> >>Of course only when we get extensive logfiles available after or short before >>world champs then we can verify it. >> >>But from DIEP you will see all logfiles posted so you can check it out at your >>PC. My betatesters probably will be delighted to search single and dual cpu with >>the 100% same version and see what time it takes to get each search performed. >> >>So there is a lot of openness. >> >>I hope you realize that giving the system time of a supercomputer to the >>majority of your suggestions will mean that nothing runs at it. >> >>I know you do not bet at DIEP because of subjective feelings, but remember that >>with all the disasters happened it still got divided 5th in 2002. >> >>For 2003 you should give it quite a bit more credits though. >> >>Best regards, >>Vincent > >Speaking of log files, I recall a lot of grief about GK vs DB II, though >apparently GK was given log files after the match, and eventually they were also >released to the public (posted on the internet). > >Fritz vs. Kramnik had a public log, right? > >Have DJ vs. Kasparov logs been released? > >Dave Nope. But then again Kasparov didn't make a huge fuss about wanting to see them either.
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