Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: NO MORE human vs computer game again

Author: Shaun Brewer

Date: 04:15:20 08/04/03

Go up one level in this thread


On August 04, 2003 at 06:51:19, Mark Young wrote:

>On August 04, 2003 at 04:35:00, Janosch Zwerensky wrote:
>
>>On August 04, 2003 at 00:31:37, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On August 03, 2003 at 18:30:50, Lei , Shiann-Tzong wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I can play a rated game with fritz 8 or junior 8 or Shredder 7
>>>>and set it to the lowest rating . and win it many times a day .
>>>>
>>>>If you have a rating over 2400 elo , you can post your human vs machine games
>>>>here .
>>>>If not , don't post it .
>>
>>>I agree.
>>>
>>>It is a con job when people post games here showing wins over the top computer
>>>programs.
>>
>>I would not call for example the games Kurt Utzinger posted here, of which one
>>was a win against the machine, "con jobs". I think that at least these were
>>genuine, in the sense of not being the result of a lot of trial and error on
>>Utzinger's side.
>
>
>"I think that at least these were
>genuine, in the sense of not being the result of a lot of trial and error on
>Utzinger's side."
>
>WoW! What can I say to this....It is not a con job when they only cheat a
>little??? And post the game as a real win.
>
>You are more forgiving then I am...I am a tournament player, and rules of play
>mean things. It only takes 1 move to change the course of a game, so taking back
>only 1 time is cheating. Finding how a computer will responed in advance to a
>opening shot to probe for weakness is cheating. When you post the game on CCC as
>a true win.

Mark,

Just one point, while I would agree that 'practising' against an opponent and
then removing its learning or disabling learning is not fair.

Analysing the games of an oppenent prior to a game is surely sensible
preparation.

Shaun

>
>
>>If one plays ultra-solid chess and tries not to achieve anything beyond a draw,
>>quite often a top program will not try hard enough get into an unbalanced
>>position and the human, although a much weaker player than the program, will get
>>his draw (or even rarely win if horizon effect strikes on the computer side, or
>>more often lose, if the human misses some tactical shot). I am not sure that not
>>knowing the opening book used by the program will make much of a difference,
>>although I admitt that this is a real possiblity.
>>However, I also think that any player below master level would be dead meat
>>against the top programs no matter how they approached the problem if not only
>>the opening book but also the relevant parts of the evaluation function of a
>>strong program would be tuned in advance for anti-patzer-play.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Janosch



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.