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Subject: Re: A new Idea to promote computer chess in human events

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:48:17 08/08/03

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On August 08, 2003 at 17:53:05, Mathieu Pagé wrote:

>On August 08, 2003 at 15:12:05, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On August 08, 2003 at 12:51:34, Mathieu Pagé wrote:
>>
>>>On August 08, 2003 at 11:52:37, ERIQ wrote:
>>>
>>>>How about making the comps play on 486's w/32 mb ram and no endgame tablebases.
>>>>I then think the GM's wouldn't fear them so. But for that the comps, should be
>>>>granted fide ratings and titles :)
>>>>
>>>>btw: under such conditions I still think chess genius 3 or chesstiger would
>>>>make IM!
>>>
>>>Why should we try to handicap computers ?
>>>
>>>If they become so stronger that we can no longer beat them, we just have to stop
>>>competing against them.
>>>
>>>Do we have handicaped car in human's foot races ?
>>>
>>>IMHO the only choice we have is to accept the fact that our machines are better
>>>than us.
>>
>>     I do not agree. Machines are only better as long as strong humans try
>>     to win. I am quite sure that the computers would hardly ever win a game
>>     if humans are playing boring games with only the draw in mind.
>>     Kurt
>
>Yes, I know they are not still so strong that they can _always_ beat humans, but
>handicapating them to enter them in human competition does not make sens in my
>opinion.
>
>And I'm sure they will eventually crush any human, even if this one only want to
>draw. Maybe in 3 years, maybe in 5 or 50, but it will happen.

I am not sure about it.
I believe that chess is too simple to let it happen and the best human player is
going to have practical chances for a draw even against perfect play.

Uri




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