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Subject: Re: A new Idea to promote computer chess in human events

Author: Jay Urbanski

Date: 23:06:55 08/08/03

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On August 09, 2003 at 01:53:01, Uri Blass wrote:

>>>
>>I think the best chance is to introduce a "Blunder Factor".  The biggest
>>advantage the computers have (IMHO) is that they never blunder.  Humans always
>>run the risk that they will miss something, and lose the game as a result.
>>Computers (at least within their horizon) don't have this problem.  This is why
>>Kasparov said he accepted a draw in the last game against Deep Junior - he was
>>afraid he'd blunder again and lose the match.
>
>I do not believe kasparov.
>I believe that he wanted a draw because he thought that a draw is better than a
>win for him.


How would a draw be better than a win for him?

>>Against a human opponent if you blunder, there's always the chance that your
>>opponent will return the favor - especially if there is a chance for
>>counterplay.  The computer will just eat you alive.  So... I propose a Blunder
>>Factor.. a small chance of error on every move.  It would certainly make for
>>more inreresting games against humans.  I'd love to see some of these monsters
>>fight back from a stupid mistake.
>>
>>Don't ask me how to implement this.. just thinking out loud...
>
>In that case I see no competition.

I don't see why a slight chance for error = no competition.

>The question as I understood it was how to continue the competition between
>humans and machines.
>
>If the programmers do not compete then I do not see the point of it unless the
>target is to have better estimate of rating for humans so we can have computers
>with fixed rating.

I didn't say don't compete.  I just maintain that battling a machine that is
known to have a possibility of error would be more attractive to most humans
than one that never falters.  I don't propose crippling programs - the chance of
a grandmaster blundering is pretty small, but it exists.  And I certainly don't
think a blunder factor need be included in computer-computer matches.

>Today if all humans improve by 200 elo the rating is not going to change.
>Adding machines with fixed rating can change it.
>
>Uri

Not sure I follow you.




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