Author: Eugene Nalimov
Date: 10:40:03 08/11/03
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On August 11, 2003 at 11:28:49, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 11, 2003 at 01:40:11, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On August 11, 2003 at 00:30:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 10, 2003 at 12:28:25, Heinz-Josef Schumacher wrote: >>> >>>>>So a senseful recommendation IMO is to play and test the programs either >>>>"out-of-the-box" or with a complete set of tbs. >>>> >>>>Yes, it's my opion too. To test with the incomplete "Fritz Endgame Turbo" is >>>>stupid non-sense! If the SSDF people don't have a complete set of 5 men tbs, >>>>they should test better only with 4 men tbs! >>>e to >>> >>>Why? A _sensible_ program can do just fine without complete EGTB's. >>>Particularly >>>when you have the case of (say) KXPKX, but you don't have the KXQKX table to >>>encourage the promotion correctly. >>> >>>That is solvable. >>> >>>Since it has caused significant problems for many programs for a long time, it >>>is >>>something that deserves fixing. >> >> >>Bob, it is always the same senseless discussion. >>You say a "good" program solves this problem, we ask why? >>This is the same topic as with mating with knight+bishop. Implement or not while >>the tbs solve it. >>As a programmer I wouldn't waste my time implementing already solved and >>available (!) knowledge. > > >That's not the point. There are two: > >1. You don't "implement" already solved and available knowledge. You just >recognize that has already been solved, and avoid the trap of assuming that if >you don't have the table, you can't trade into that ending because it isn't a >mate. > >2. Any "problem" that is recurring, for many people, is a problem that is >worth eliminating. This happens regularly, and it is _not_ difficult to >solve, so that you can have the "pawn" table but not the "promotion" tables, >and still play the ending reasonably. Rather than drawing. Point #3: krppkr (one of the most useful 6-men TBs) is ~4.6Gb kqrpkr, krrpkr, krbpkr, krnpkr, kqqrkr, kqrrkr, kqrbkr, kqrnkr, krrrkr, krrbkr, krrnkr, krbbkr, krbnkr, krnnkr together are ~40Gb, and I doubt that many of them are useful by themselves... Thanks, Eugene
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