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Subject: Re: Hash and first Fail High

Author: Peter Fendrich

Date: 16:11:17 08/14/03

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Dieter,
Given that we have the same definition I'm very impressed of how you can produce
such a strong program with such lousy numbers!

I gave a very sloppy definition of 1FH. The real one is better described as:
100 x (number_of_1stFH)/(number_of_FH) where number_of_1stFH is the number of
Fail Hihgs with the first move in the node and number_of_FH is total number of
Fail High nodes.

I'm sorry if this is the reason.

/Peter

On August 14, 2003 at 18:40:04, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On August 14, 2003 at 15:27:06, Peter Fendrich wrote:
>
>>1FH = The ratio where the first generated move in the node is a Fail High.
>>
>>I experimented with removing the the hash table and became a bit surprised.
>>Normally I have about 1FH = 95-96%. When I removed the hash table that figure
>>raised to more like 1FH = 96-97% while the search depth, as expected, was
>>decreased.
>>
>>Increased 1FH when removing the hash table. Is this normal?
>
>First of all - numbers over 95% seem very impressive to me for this.
>
>I tried from the initial position of chess - once without HTs, once with 100 Mb
>- search depth set to 11 plies. Witout 100 Mb HTs I get (for other postions I
>get typically over 90%, but not 95% and more):
>
>  15266354  24.574   0.15 11.  1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.O-O O-O
>                               6.d3 {0}
>
>fail_high 555670
>1 move: 481364 ratio 86.628% sum 86.628%
>2 move: 40132 ratio 7.222% sum 93.850%
>3 move: 11370 ratio 2.046% sum 95.896%
>4 move: 5211 ratio 0.938% sum 96.834%
>5 move: 3128 ratio 0.563% sum 97.397%
>6 move: 2109 ratio 0.380% sum 97.776%
>7 move: 1570 ratio 0.283% sum 98.059%
>8 move: 1156 ratio 0.208% sum 98.267%
>9 move: 1032 ratio 0.186% sum 98.453%
>10 move: 975 ratio 0.175% sum 98.628%
>11 move: 770 ratio 0.139% sum 98.767%
>12 move: 759 ratio 0.137% sum 98.903%
>13 move: 670 ratio 0.121% sum 99.024%
>
>To interprete it - in the cases fail high occured, it was found in 86.6% of the
>cases in the fírst move, 7.2% of the cases ín the 2nd move, and so on.
>
>With no HTs:
>
>  63795843  1:36.9   0.15 11.  1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nc6 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.O-O O-O
>                               6.d3 {0}
>fail_high 2022499
>1 move: 1725927 ratio 85.336% sum 85.336%
>2 move: 165165 ratio 8.166% sum 93.503%
>3 move: 47254 ratio 2.336% sum 95.839%
>4 move: 20313 ratio 1.004% sum 96.844%
>5 move: 11764 ratio 0.582% sum 97.425%
>6 move: 7823 ratio 0.387% sum 97.812%
>7 move: 5961 ratio 0.295% sum 98.107%
>8 move: 4810 ratio 0.238% sum 98.345%
>9 move: 3906 ratio 0.193% sum 98.538%
>10 move: 3337 ratio 0.165% sum 98.703%
>11 move: 2943 ratio 0.146% sum 98.848%
>12 move: 2789 ratio 0.138% sum 98.986%
>13 move: 2703 ratio 0.134% sum 99.120%
>
>So, pretty similar numbers.
>
>Regards,
>Dieter



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