Author: Jens Kahlenberg
Date: 11:47:26 08/18/03
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On August 18, 2003 at 01:27:55, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 18, 2003 at 00:22:53, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On August 17, 2003 at 22:31:16, Keith Long wrote: >> >>>give the human 1 hour for the game and the computer 2 sec a move and i bet fritz >>>would still beat anyone here >> >>You'd lose that bet....LOL! >> >>Many of us have beaten these beasts on there terms, this would be giving the >>human the advantage. >> >>I wouldn't play a machine that way...nor do I think many others here would as >>well. >> >>2sec. per move for Fritz isn't enough to break even 2000 ELO, unless you had a >>10 ghz machine. > >Fritz3 already got the IM norm on p90 at 120/40 time control. >even without considering software improvements >3 minutes per move on p90 is equivalent to 10 seconds per move with the hardware >of today > >if we assume that 10 seconds per move is 2400 than 2 seconds per move is above >2000 even if you assume 100 elo for doubling the speed and I did not consider >the fact that the human play worse when (s)he has less time to ponder and that >the computer play better when it has more time to ponder. > >My guess is that when you consider also the software improvement from fritz3 to >the top programs of today you get that the top programs of today can perform at >IM level if they are allowed to use only 2 seconds per move. Hi Uri, I don't think so. IMHO even FM-level should be enough to survive the middlegame generally with a not totally drawn position if top engines have only 2 seconds per move, because they can't get deep enough to outsearch their opponent in tactical issues. In the endgame the engines will have a hard time to even draw a drawn game at that rate of play. Regards, Jens > >I also assumed that the human has 2 hours/40 moves in all this discussion >After paying attention at this point(after writing the first part of my >response) that the poster gave the human only one hour per game I think that it >is possible that Fritz can perform at GM level. > >It does not mean that Fritz can beat anyone here with 2 seconds per move because >there are some players near 2400 who read this forum and rating against >computers may be different than rating against humans and when I calculate >rating I consider the fact that there are a lot of players who simply do not >play anti computer style and do not plan to change it even when they play >against computers so the same program may beat some GM's and at the same time >lose against some 2400 players. > >Uri
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