Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 15:28:10 08/18/03
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On August 18, 2003 at 08:55:12, Frank Nelson wrote: >On August 18, 2003 at 02:54:48, Jouni Uski wrote: > >>In latest CSS magazine Donniger writes: "For normal user difference between >>2500 and 2600 program is equal to difference when you hit your head against >>100 cm of concrete or 120 cm". (my own translation) >> >>I think this is good comparison... >> >>Jouni >Jouni you're mostly wrong on this one. If you're a mid-master(human); you should >be able to tell the difference between a fide-rated 2400 elo vs. 2500 elo vs. >2700 elo. Maybe programs are more tricky to judge because because your >individual style of play maybe more favorable to one program rather than the >other. Since my style is positional I do better against programs that are >knowledge-based(Hiarcs) rather than fast-searchers(Fritz). Don't put all your >money into someone's swamp land in Florida use the gray matter in your skull >that God invested in !! first - I would just like to mention that I am not running your post through a spell-check or grammar-check and it looks fine to me -as one who is guilty of numerous typing errors, bad spelling and poor use of grammar, I live in glass house and will bethe last one to throw rocks.... I fail to see where Jouni is wrong on this one - he agreed with this statement" " "In latest CSS magazine Donniger writes: "For normal user difference between 2500 and 2600 program is equal to difference when you hit your head against 100 cm of concrete or 120 cm". (my own translation) " The key word is "normal". A normal user is not a "mid master". I believe a normal user would have an average rating of somewhere below an "expert" rated player. Perhaps my rating of around 1600 is normal, I'm not sure. I can attest that once I start playing programs rated 2300 or higher - I cannot tell a difference. From that point on, I can tell only by how they do against other programs on my machine. I can tell a difference between a 2000 rated player/program and a 2300 rated player/program. We have a master in our chess club. He used to be rated in the 2300's. When I played against him, it was just like playing one of these programs - I had no shot at winning against him and I have not shot at winning against one of these programs. So I agree with Donniger and Jouni.
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