Author: Uri Blass
Date: 06:21:11 08/19/03
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On August 18, 2003 at 14:47:26, Jens Kahlenberg wrote: >On August 18, 2003 at 01:27:55, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 18, 2003 at 00:22:53, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On August 17, 2003 at 22:31:16, Keith Long wrote: >>> >>>>give the human 1 hour for the game and the computer 2 sec a move and i bet fritz >>>>would still beat anyone here >>> >>>You'd lose that bet....LOL! >>> >>>Many of us have beaten these beasts on there terms, this would be giving the >>>human the advantage. >>> >>>I wouldn't play a machine that way...nor do I think many others here would as >>>well. >>> >>>2sec. per move for Fritz isn't enough to break even 2000 ELO, unless you had a >>>10 ghz machine. >> >>Fritz3 already got the IM norm on p90 at 120/40 time control. >>even without considering software improvements >>3 minutes per move on p90 is equivalent to 10 seconds per move with the hardware >>of today >> >>if we assume that 10 seconds per move is 2400 than 2 seconds per move is above >>2000 even if you assume 100 elo for doubling the speed and I did not consider >>the fact that the human play worse when (s)he has less time to ponder and that >>the computer play better when it has more time to ponder. >> >>My guess is that when you consider also the software improvement from fritz3 to >>the top programs of today you get that the top programs of today can perform at >>IM level if they are allowed to use only 2 seconds per move. > > >Hi Uri, > >I don't think so. IMHO even FM-level should be enough to survive the middlegame >generally with a not totally drawn position if top engines have only 2 seconds >per move, because they can't get deep enough to outsearch their opponent in >tactical issues. In the endgame the engines will have a hard time to even draw a >drawn game at that rate of play. > >Regards, >Jens Fritz3(p90) already did the IM norm in 1994. Now even if you assume no pondering of more than 2 seconds Fritz3(p90) 180 seconds per move is equivalent to Fritz3(hardware that is 20 times faster) 9 seconds per move and Fritz3(9 seconds per move) is probably at similiar level to top programs of today (2 seconds per move) Uri
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