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Subject: Re: Junior 8 doesn't see this simple mate

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 14:34:35 08/21/03

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On August 21, 2003 at 17:25:46, Omid David Tabibi wrote:


>>I think the competition is rather fierce at the top, so their decision is
>>understandable if the choice is between gaining X Elo in real games, or solving
>>artificial test positions.
>
>True, but the position in question was no artificial. It could very well arise
>in actual games, and it can certainly arise many times in the huge search trees,
>with one such horrible error wreaking havoc to the whole search tree.
>
>The probability of such an occurrence is very low, but if it occurs it's a total
>disaster!

The problem for us observers is that we only discover whenever it fails, we
never realize that those 10 other games turned into a win because of the
pruning.

We thus falsely conclude it is hurting the program.

>Imagine Junior playing aginst Kasparov in the 6th match, and this position
>arises. Junior would draw the won match!

Yes, but imagine the odds of that happening!

I remember another famous computer that didn't use nullmove when playing Garry
some years ago, probably rooted in the same fear.

>As a real life example, take the frist game of Fritz vs Kramnik in Bahrain. Had
>Fritz had blockage detection knowledge, it wouldn't have played Bg5 and could
>have very well gone on to win...

Right they can always get smarter, and just imagine how much they could prune if
they understood blockages! :)

-S.



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