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Subject: Re: Junior 8 doesn't see this simple mate

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:40:11 08/21/03

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On August 21, 2003 at 17:27:05, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On August 21, 2003 at 17:21:06, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>>If you had a pruning rule that gained 50 elo in all games but made blunder moves
>>>every time there was a quadrople pawn on the board, would you do the pruning?
>>
>>I believe that if I have that pruning rule then I can easily change it not to
>>make the blunder without significant difference in strength.
>
>But for the sake of argument, suppose you couldn't.
>Which is more important to you?

increasing strength.

>
>>pruning rule basically say to search to reduced depth.
>>I see no reason not to search at all if you are not sure.
>>
>>Junior decides not to search at all.
>
>No Junior thinks one side can't win and adjusts bounds, it has nothing to do
>with reducing depth.

Junior can also do verifying search with different bounds(-infinite,infinite)
when it get position when one side has only a bishop and in the rare case of
getting mate value it can change the assumption that bishop cannot mate for the
rest of the search.

>
>>The gain from deciding that bishop cannot win could still be almost the same
>>after modifying this rule to do verification search to depth d/4 when the
>>remaining depth is d and only after this search to decide that a bishop cannot
>>win.
>
>In which case the mate is going to need 40 plies, so you'll miss it anyway.

mate in 3 is 5 plies(5*4=20) and it is possible to get 20 plies in the endgame.
it can be even less than 5 plies if you do checks in the qsearch and in this
case it can be translated to 16 plies.

Uri



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