Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 00:02:43 11/01/98
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On November 01, 1998 at 02:51:52, Komputer Korner wrote:
>On October 31, 1998 at 22:34:01, Larry S. Tamarkin wrote:
>
>>Rebel10 is an amazing program! (as was Rebel9) Probably it is not quite as
>>strong in 10 or 15 minute BLITZ agianst Junior5 or Fritz5, but as far as
>>features are concerned it really can't be beat. Its possible too that with the
>>'Anti GM' feature it is stronger against humans, then agianst other programs.
>>We'll have to see over time. Certainly is chess 'Style', (whatever that is), is
>>most interesting and worth buying the program for. As far as recommending one
>>program, in preference to the others I can't do that - I recommend them all!
>>But I do highly recommend Rebel10, as a way to support the Schoeder company. I
>>will buy the upgrade, just as soon as I can afford it.
>>
>>Also buying Rebel10, you get to download additional material from the Rebel
>>homepage. And you get the Beta of Rebel for Windoz when it comes out to, so if
>>don't like Dos very much, you only must 'live' with it a short time.
>>
>>I think most significantly of all, Ed Shroeder 'lurks' here in this chess club
>>and truly listens to the concerns of the most chess suavy group. So if
>>something important has to be done for his program, he is immediately aware and
>>sometimes meets the group (I hesitate to call us a MOB:)) desire...
>>
>>mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict!
>>
>>
>>On October 31, 1998 at 20:29:17, Ron King wrote:
>>
>>>I need some input reguarding the purchase of new software. I would like
>>>to find out what feelings are comparing Rebel 10 to the rest of the latest
>>>chess software?
>
>Larry I like Rebel 10 a lot also. It has at least 17 features that Junior5
>doesn't have but I take exception to your comment that Rebel 10 has the best
>features. In areas of analyzing a completed game such as, Does it allow more
>than 1 engine to analyze different parts of
>the game? Junior 5 and Fritz 5 do
> Does it provide a Super analyze blundercheck capability which will
>analyze variations? Fritz 5 and Junior 5 do
>Is there a correspondence analyze feature that allows analysis of
>1 position and generates sub lines of analysis on screen Fritz 5 and Junior 5
>Is there a graphical representation of the score evaluation of
>each position? Fritz 5 and Junior 5
>Can the program mark games with different types of analysis?
>Fritz 5/Junior 5 can do the following:
>Annotation type letters:
>
>v = some variations
>V = many variations
>R = huge nested variations ("repertoire")
>S = symbols but no text
>C = text
>I = contains critical positions
>A = contains colored squares or arrows
>T = contains training questions
>M = contains multimedia annotations
>G = contains a game quotation
>Can Rebel 10 do the following Edit a user book with on screen engine analysis,
>or present a user editable chess tree that shows all transpositions, as well as
>an explain all moves feature which orders the moves by their score as well as
>having the capability of multi PV analysis, along with access to theme keys and
>endgame keys as well as user editable keys with the free CB Light, and
>multitasking with other programs or merging multiple games into one game,
>printing directly from program both moves and diagrams, coach feature, showing
>on screen variations and a feature whereby training arrows are used in colour
>on the board plus semi intelligent mouse. Fritz 5 and Junior 5 do all this. plus
>Junior 5 does 2 more such as pasting of engine analysis right into move list,
>and a contempt feature.
>
>I count 18 features that Fritz 5 and Junior 5 have that Rebel 10 doesn't and if
>you only count Junior 5 it has 2 extra features to make a total of 20 . The
>following are the 17 features that Rebel 10 has that Fritz 5 and Junior 5 don't
>have.
>1) Uneditable EOC tree info available on screen at same time as engine analysis
>2) Tree shows name of opening and the ECO code of each candidate
>3) Tree shows how often the strongest players played the candidates
>4) Free index allows you to put any text in a special text field that can be the
>subject of a search
>5)global edit of this special index text field.
>6) search on materiel ( both Rebel 10 and Fritz Junior 5 have search on position
>and the position search mask of Fritz/Junior 5 contains search on patterns that
>Rebel 10 has as a separate search feature.
>7) Rebel 10 is number 1 for showing engine screen info
>8) 4 board simultaneous feature
>9) 4 board clipboard
>10) Remove doubles on any size of DB
>11) Overview top 40 stats
>12) Analyze book with engine inserting evaluations into it
>13) Energy level mode
>14)Analyze EPD
>15) Random move feature
>16) defineable buttons
>17) blindfold chess
>
>So in the end Larry, it is a tossup between Fritz 5 and Rebel 5 for number of
>features. However when you include the 2 extra features of Junior 5 , the
>contempt feature and the pasting of PV analysis right into the move list, this
>has to tip the balance to Junior 5. The difference in strength isn't enough to
>worry about. I couldn't say for sure which engine is stronger anyway. You will
>probably say that Rebel's features of the EOC chess tree info is important and
>it is a nice feature, along with the 4 board simultaneous feature and the 4
>board clipboard and the top 40 information and the remove doubles but when you
>look at Junior 5/Fritz 5's analyzing and move list features and it's editable
>transposition showing tree, and Junior 5's 2 extra features, my mind is made up
>for choosing Junior 5. It is a tough call though.
>--
>Komputer Korner
I should mention that there are other small differences between the 2 programs,
but it is obvious that Junior 5 and Rebel 10 are the 2 top programs both in
engine positional strength and most and best features. Congratulations to Amir
and Shay and ChessBase; Ed and Rob of Scroder BV for 2 fantastic chess
programs.
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Komputer Korner
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