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Subject: Re: Junior 8 Test Complete: J8 vs CM9k +23/-8/=19 (65%) +107 elo

Author: Anson T J

Date: 08:45:18 08/24/03

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On August 24, 2003 at 11:28:29, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>On August 24, 2003 at 10:38:31, Anson T J wrote:
>
>>All PGN games are available for download and view on the following website:
>>http://mysite.freeserve.com/intagrand/junior8test/index.html
>>
>>
>>Test Configuration
>>Hardware:  Dual AMD MP 2400+ 512 MB Ram
>>Software:  Junior 8 GUI & 3-5 piece EGTB
>>
>>Engine Details
>>Processor:     1 CPU each (AMD MP2400+)
>>Hash:          128 MB hash each
>>Ponder Move:   On
>>Books:         Native Books / CM9k (F6's general.ctg)
>>Time Control:  40/2Hrs + 20/1Hr + Rest/30 mins
>>Rounds:        50 games vs each opponent
>>
>>
>>Opponent:         Junior 8's Score:
>>Shredder 7.04     +18/-12/=20 (56%) +41  elo
>>Fritz 8           +17/-11/=22 (56%) +41  elo
>>Hiarcs 8          +28/-8/=14  (70%) +147 elo
>>CM 9000 (SKR)     +17/-10/=23 (57%) +48  elo
>>CM 9000           +23/-8/=19  (65%) +107 elo
>>
>>This concludes my Junior 8 Summer Test. I hope people will find the games and
>>results useful. Sorry that I will not be able to run any more test games for a
>>while as I can no longer spare the CPU time. A fine performance by Junior 8
>>here. Also congrats to the "SKR creators" as the SKR personality of Chess Master
>>9000 performed 59 elo points stronger than the default settings.
>There is a big problem with this match: You did not use the Chessmaster opening
>book for CM .This is like separating the head from body.Opening books are indeed
>part of the program.Also I should note that (and I have said this many
>times) that comp vs comp matches prove nothing about how a program will do
>against humans:That is Program A may be stronger than program B by 100 Elo in
>Comp vs Comp ;but Program B may be stronger by 100 Elo than program A when
>playing only humans.Both Fritz and Junior were disasters in the matches against
>Kasparov and Kramnik. In any case I do not see the points in these
>Comp Matches(We need more human vs Comp) as SSDF is doing a great job pitting
>programs against each other.

a) No CM book exists for The King
b) I didn't mention human games, nor am I concerned with human games. If you
want human games, theres not much point looking in an engine match is there?
c) SSDF hardware is much weaker than what I used and they don't test CM either.



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