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Subject: Re: Junior 8 Test Complete: J8 vs CM9k +23/-8/=19 (65%) +107 elo

Author: ALI MIRAFZALI

Date: 08:59:34 08/24/03

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On August 24, 2003 at 11:45:18, Anson T J wrote:

>On August 24, 2003 at 11:28:29, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2003 at 10:38:31, Anson T J wrote:
>>
>>>All PGN games are available for download and view on the following website:
>>>http://mysite.freeserve.com/intagrand/junior8test/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Test Configuration
>>>Hardware:  Dual AMD MP 2400+ 512 MB Ram
>>>Software:  Junior 8 GUI & 3-5 piece EGTB
>>>
>>>Engine Details
>>>Processor:     1 CPU each (AMD MP2400+)
>>>Hash:          128 MB hash each
>>>Ponder Move:   On
>>>Books:         Native Books / CM9k (F6's general.ctg)
>>>Time Control:  40/2Hrs + 20/1Hr + Rest/30 mins
>>>Rounds:        50 games vs each opponent
>>>
>>>
>>>Opponent:         Junior 8's Score:
>>>Shredder 7.04     +18/-12/=20 (56%) +41  elo
>>>Fritz 8           +17/-11/=22 (56%) +41  elo
>>>Hiarcs 8          +28/-8/=14  (70%) +147 elo
>>>CM 9000 (SKR)     +17/-10/=23 (57%) +48  elo
>>>CM 9000           +23/-8/=19  (65%) +107 elo
>>>
>>>This concludes my Junior 8 Summer Test. I hope people will find the games and
>>>results useful. Sorry that I will not be able to run any more test games for a
>>>while as I can no longer spare the CPU time. A fine performance by Junior 8
>>>here. Also congrats to the "SKR creators" as the SKR personality of Chess Master
>>>9000 performed 59 elo points stronger than the default settings.
>>There is a big problem with this match: You did not use the Chessmaster opening
>>book for CM .This is like separating the head from body.Opening books are indeed
>>part of the program.Also I should note that (and I have said this many
>>times) that comp vs comp matches prove nothing about how a program will do
>>against humans:That is Program A may be stronger than program B by 100 Elo in
>>Comp vs Comp ;but Program B may be stronger by 100 Elo than program A when
>>playing only humans.Both Fritz and Junior were disasters in the matches against
>>Kasparov and Kramnik. In any case I do not see the points in these
>>Comp Matches(We need more human vs Comp) as SSDF is doing a great job pitting
>>programs against each other.
>
>a) No CM book exists for The King
>b) I didn't mention human games, nor am I concerned with human games. If you
>want human games, theres not much point looking in an engine match is there?
>c) SSDF hardware is much weaker than what I used and they don't test CM either.
I donot understand part a) CM9000 does have its own opening book(ie the default
personality)I just checked my CD the book is called CM9000.



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