Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 10:14:35 08/24/03
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On August 24, 2003 at 12:21:27, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>On August 24, 2003 at 11:57:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2003 at 11:28:29, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>>
>>>On August 24, 2003 at 10:38:31, Anson T J wrote:
>>>
>>>>All PGN games are available for download and view on the following website:
>>>>http://mysite.freeserve.com/intagrand/junior8test/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Test Configuration
>>>>Hardware: Dual AMD MP 2400+ 512 MB Ram
>>>>Software: Junior 8 GUI & 3-5 piece EGTB
>>>>
>>>>Engine Details
>>>>Processor: 1 CPU each (AMD MP2400+)
>>>>Hash: 128 MB hash each
>>>>Ponder Move: On
>>>>Books: Native Books / CM9k (F6's general.ctg)
>>>>Time Control: 40/2Hrs + 20/1Hr + Rest/30 mins
>>>>Rounds: 50 games vs each opponent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Opponent: Junior 8's Score:
>>>>Shredder 7.04 +18/-12/=20 (56%) +41 elo
>>>>Fritz 8 +17/-11/=22 (56%) +41 elo
>>>>Hiarcs 8 +28/-8/=14 (70%) +147 elo
>>>>CM 9000 (SKR) +17/-10/=23 (57%) +48 elo
>>>>CM 9000 +23/-8/=19 (65%) +107 elo
>>>>
>>>>This concludes my Junior 8 Summer Test. I hope people will find the games and
>>>>results useful. Sorry that I will not be able to run any more test games for a
>>>>while as I can no longer spare the CPU time. A fine performance by Junior 8
>>>>here. Also congrats to the "SKR creators" as the SKR personality of Chess Master
>>
>>>>9000 performed 59 elo points stronger than the default settings.
>>>There is a big problem with this match: You did not use the Chessmaster opening
>>>book for CM .This is like separating the head from body.Opening books are indeed >part of the program.
>>
>> There was nothing wrong with using the general.ctg instead of the
>> CM9000.obk since the latter book is in any case somewhat weaker.
>> And if Anson had played with the CM9-GUI we [all chess people] would
>> not have the pleasure to follow the games live.
>> Kurt
>>
>>>Also I should note that (and I have said this many
>>>times) that comp vs comp matches prove nothing about how a program will do
>>>against humans:That is Program A may be stronger than program B by 100 Elo in
>>>Comp vs Comp ;but Program B may be stronger by 100 Elo than program A when
>>>playing only humans.
>>
>>Both Fritz and Junior were disasters in the matches against Kasparov and
>>Kramnik.
>>
>> How can you argue that way. You seem to forget one thing: both programs
>> have drawn their matches vs the strongest chess players of the world.
>> Kurt
>>
>>In any case I do not see the points in these
>>>Comp Matches(We need more human vs Comp) as SSDF is doing a great job pitting
>>>programs against each other.
>Kurt : the reason they drew is beacaus both Kasparov and Kramnik made very
>elementary errors in the games they lost .Note: that I am not suggesting
>conspiracy.Look at game 5 vs Garry 10...Bxh2+ by DJ is unsound.I have posted
>extensive analysis(A HIARCS SHOOTOUT AT PLY13) showing indeed that this comes
>to a loss had Garry played 16.g3.(the Shootout took 2 days to Complete on a fast
>Computer).Also look at DJs Rae8?? in Game 1.Look at Bf8?? by Fritz against
>Kramnik in game 2 and a3?? by Fritz against Kramnik in game 3.There is no
>doubt in My mind that Fritz and Junior are not as strong against human players
>as some of the lessor known Programs .However Chessbase politics has had these
>2 programs playing humans.The stongest programs in the World against humans
>are HIARCS CHESSMASTER and MCHESS.
> am
Hi Ali
Of course, 10...Bxh2+ was unsound. But to fight over the board in a high
tactictal position is another thing than to find a refutation in the
home analysis. It's also true that Bf8 played by Deep Fritz against
Kramnik looked like a terrible move, but so far nobody has found a direct
way to punish this.
Kurt
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