Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 14:48:45 08/24/03
Go up one level in this thread
On August 24, 2003 at 12:21:27, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >On August 24, 2003 at 11:57:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>On August 24, 2003 at 11:28:29, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2003 at 10:38:31, Anson T J wrote: >>> >>>>All PGN games are available for download and view on the following website: >>>>http://mysite.freeserve.com/intagrand/junior8test/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>>Test Configuration >>>>Hardware: Dual AMD MP 2400+ 512 MB Ram >>>>Software: Junior 8 GUI & 3-5 piece EGTB >>>> >>>>Engine Details >>>>Processor: 1 CPU each (AMD MP2400+) >>>>Hash: 128 MB hash each >>>>Ponder Move: On >>>>Books: Native Books / CM9k (F6's general.ctg) >>>>Time Control: 40/2Hrs + 20/1Hr + Rest/30 mins >>>>Rounds: 50 games vs each opponent >>>> >>>> >>>>Opponent: Junior 8's Score: >>>>Shredder 7.04 +18/-12/=20 (56%) +41 elo >>>>Fritz 8 +17/-11/=22 (56%) +41 elo >>>>Hiarcs 8 +28/-8/=14 (70%) +147 elo >>>>CM 9000 (SKR) +17/-10/=23 (57%) +48 elo >>>>CM 9000 +23/-8/=19 (65%) +107 elo >>>> >>>>This concludes my Junior 8 Summer Test. I hope people will find the games and >>>>results useful. Sorry that I will not be able to run any more test games for a >>>>while as I can no longer spare the CPU time. A fine performance by Junior 8 >>>>here. Also congrats to the "SKR creators" as the SKR personality of Chess Master >> >>>>9000 performed 59 elo points stronger than the default settings. >>>There is a big problem with this match: You did not use the Chessmaster opening >>>book for CM .This is like separating the head from body.Opening books are indeed >part of the program. >> >> There was nothing wrong with using the general.ctg instead of the >> CM9000.obk since the latter book is in any case somewhat weaker. >> And if Anson had played with the CM9-GUI we [all chess people] would >> not have the pleasure to follow the games live. >> Kurt >> >>>Also I should note that (and I have said this many >>>times) that comp vs comp matches prove nothing about how a program will do >>>against humans:That is Program A may be stronger than program B by 100 Elo in >>>Comp vs Comp ;but Program B may be stronger by 100 Elo than program A when >>>playing only humans. >> >>Both Fritz and Junior were disasters in the matches against Kasparov and >>Kramnik. >> >> How can you argue that way. You seem to forget one thing: both programs >> have drawn their matches vs the strongest chess players of the world. >> Kurt >> >>In any case I do not see the points in these >>>Comp Matches(We need more human vs Comp) as SSDF is doing a great job pitting >>>programs against each other. >Kurt : the reason they drew is beacaus both Kasparov and Kramnik made very >elementary errors in the games they lost .Note: that I am not suggesting >conspiracy.Look at game 5 vs Garry 10...Bxh2+ by DJ is unsound. AFAIK nobody has proven so far that 10...Bxh2+ is unsound. This would require a line which is a forced win for white. GM Shipov and GM Hubner were not able to come up with a convincing refutation. I have posted >extensive analysis(A HIARCS SHOOTOUT AT PLY13) showing indeed that this comes >to a loss had Garry played 16.g3.(the Shootout took 2 days to Complete on a fast ridiculous Michael >Computer).Also look at DJs Rae8?? in Game 1.Look at Bf8?? by Fritz against >Kramnik in game 2 and a3?? by Fritz against Kramnik in game 3.There is no >doubt in My mind that Fritz and Junior are not as strong against human players >as some of the lessor known Programs .However Chessbase politics has had these >2 programs playing humans.The stongest programs in the World against humans >are HIARCS CHESSMASTER and MCHESS. > am
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.