Author: Jonas Bylund
Date: 15:25:12 08/24/03
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On August 24, 2003 at 17:48:45, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On August 24, 2003 at 12:21:27, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: > >>On August 24, 2003 at 11:57:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2003 at 11:28:29, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2003 at 10:38:31, Anson T J wrote: >>>> >>>>>All PGN games are available for download and view on the following website: >>>>>http://mysite.freeserve.com/intagrand/junior8test/index.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Test Configuration >>>>>Hardware: Dual AMD MP 2400+ 512 MB Ram >>>>>Software: Junior 8 GUI & 3-5 piece EGTB >>>>> >>>>>Engine Details >>>>>Processor: 1 CPU each (AMD MP2400+) >>>>>Hash: 128 MB hash each >>>>>Ponder Move: On >>>>>Books: Native Books / CM9k (F6's general.ctg) >>>>>Time Control: 40/2Hrs + 20/1Hr + Rest/30 mins >>>>>Rounds: 50 games vs each opponent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Opponent: Junior 8's Score: >>>>>Shredder 7.04 +18/-12/=20 (56%) +41 elo >>>>>Fritz 8 +17/-11/=22 (56%) +41 elo >>>>>Hiarcs 8 +28/-8/=14 (70%) +147 elo >>>>>CM 9000 (SKR) +17/-10/=23 (57%) +48 elo >>>>>CM 9000 +23/-8/=19 (65%) +107 elo >>>>> >>>>>This concludes my Junior 8 Summer Test. I hope people will find the games and >>>>>results useful. Sorry that I will not be able to run any more test games for a >>>>>while as I can no longer spare the CPU time. A fine performance by Junior 8 >>>>>here. Also congrats to the "SKR creators" as the SKR personality of Chess Master >>> >>>>>9000 performed 59 elo points stronger than the default settings. >>>>There is a big problem with this match: You did not use the Chessmaster opening >>>>book for CM .This is like separating the head from body.Opening books are indeed >part of the program. >>> >>> There was nothing wrong with using the general.ctg instead of the >>> CM9000.obk since the latter book is in any case somewhat weaker. >>> And if Anson had played with the CM9-GUI we [all chess people] would >>> not have the pleasure to follow the games live. >>> Kurt >>> >>>>Also I should note that (and I have said this many >>>>times) that comp vs comp matches prove nothing about how a program will do >>>>against humans:That is Program A may be stronger than program B by 100 Elo in >>>>Comp vs Comp ;but Program B may be stronger by 100 Elo than program A when >>>>playing only humans. >>> >>>Both Fritz and Junior were disasters in the matches against Kasparov and >>>Kramnik. >>> >>> How can you argue that way. You seem to forget one thing: both programs >>> have drawn their matches vs the strongest chess players of the world. >>> Kurt >>> >>>In any case I do not see the points in these >>>>Comp Matches(We need more human vs Comp) as SSDF is doing a great job pitting >>>>programs against each other. >>Kurt : the reason they drew is beacaus both Kasparov and Kramnik made very >>elementary errors in the games they lost .Note: that I am not suggesting >>conspiracy.Look at game 5 vs Garry 10...Bxh2+ by DJ is unsound. > >AFAIK nobody has proven so far that 10...Bxh2+ is unsound. >This would require a line which is a forced win for white. >GM Shipov and GM Hubner were not able to come up with a convincing refutation. > >I have posted >>extensive analysis(A HIARCS SHOOTOUT AT PLY13) showing indeed that this comes >>to a loss had Garry played 16.g3.(the Shootout took 2 days to Complete on a fast > >ridiculous > >Michael I agree completley! Jonas
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