Author: ALI MIRAFZALI
Date: 19:19:34 08/24/03
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On August 24, 2003 at 21:42:12, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On August 24, 2003 at 20:47:19, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: > >>On August 24, 2003 at 17:48:45, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2003 at 12:21:27, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2003 at 11:57:28, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 24, 2003 at 11:28:29, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 24, 2003 at 10:38:31, Anson T J wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>All PGN games are available for download and view on the following website: >>>>>>>http://mysite.freeserve.com/intagrand/junior8test/index.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Test Configuration >>>>>>>Hardware: Dual AMD MP 2400+ 512 MB Ram >>>>>>>Software: Junior 8 GUI & 3-5 piece EGTB >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Engine Details >>>>>>>Processor: 1 CPU each (AMD MP2400+) >>>>>>>Hash: 128 MB hash each >>>>>>>Ponder Move: On >>>>>>>Books: Native Books / CM9k (F6's general.ctg) >>>>>>>Time Control: 40/2Hrs + 20/1Hr + Rest/30 mins >>>>>>>Rounds: 50 games vs each opponent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Opponent: Junior 8's Score: >>>>>>>Shredder 7.04 +18/-12/=20 (56%) +41 elo >>>>>>>Fritz 8 +17/-11/=22 (56%) +41 elo >>>>>>>Hiarcs 8 +28/-8/=14 (70%) +147 elo >>>>>>>CM 9000 (SKR) +17/-10/=23 (57%) +48 elo >>>>>>>CM 9000 +23/-8/=19 (65%) +107 elo >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This concludes my Junior 8 Summer Test. I hope people will find the games and >>>>>>>results useful. Sorry that I will not be able to run any more test games for a >>>>>>>while as I can no longer spare the CPU time. A fine performance by Junior 8 >>>>>>>here. Also congrats to the "SKR creators" as the SKR personality of Chess Master >>>>> >>>>>>>9000 performed 59 elo points stronger than the default settings. >>>>>>There is a big problem with this match: You did not use the Chessmaster opening >>>>>>book for CM .This is like separating the head from body.Opening books are indeed >part of the program. >>>>> >>>>> There was nothing wrong with using the general.ctg instead of the >>>>> CM9000.obk since the latter book is in any case somewhat weaker. >>>>> And if Anson had played with the CM9-GUI we [all chess people] would >>>>> not have the pleasure to follow the games live. >>>>> Kurt >>>>> >>>>>>Also I should note that (and I have said this many >>>>>>times) that comp vs comp matches prove nothing about how a program will do >>>>>>against humans:That is Program A may be stronger than program B by 100 Elo in >>>>>>Comp vs Comp ;but Program B may be stronger by 100 Elo than program A when >>>>>>playing only humans. >>>>> >>>>>Both Fritz and Junior were disasters in the matches against Kasparov and >>>>>Kramnik. >>>>> >>>>> How can you argue that way. You seem to forget one thing: both programs >>>>> have drawn their matches vs the strongest chess players of the world. >>>>> Kurt >>>>> >>>>>In any case I do not see the points in these >>>>>>Comp Matches(We need more human vs Comp) as SSDF is doing a great job pitting >>>>>>programs against each other. >>>>Kurt : the reason they drew is beacaus both Kasparov and Kramnik made very >>>>elementary errors in the games they lost .Note: that I am not suggesting >>>>conspiracy.Look at game 5 vs Garry 10...Bxh2+ by DJ is unsound. >>> >>>AFAIK nobody has proven so far that 10...Bxh2+ is unsound. >>>This would require a line which is a forced win for white. >>>GM Shipov and GM Hubner were not able to come up with a convincing refutation. >>> >>>I have posted >>>>extensive analysis(A HIARCS SHOOTOUT AT PLY13) showing indeed that this comes >>>>to a loss had Garry played 16.g3.(the Shootout took 2 days to Complete on a fast >>> >>>ridiculous >>> >>>Michael >>> >>>>Computer).Also look at DJs Rae8?? in Game 1.Look at Bf8?? by Fritz against >>>>Kramnik in game 2 and a3?? by Fritz against Kramnik in game 3.There is no >>>>doubt in My mind that Fritz and Junior are not as strong against human players >>>>as some of the lessor known Programs .However Chessbase politics has had these >>>>2 programs playing humans.The stongest programs in the World against humans >>>>are HIARCS CHESSMASTER and MCHESS. >>>> am >>What is ridiculous guy? huh? > >Your opinion is ridiculous... > >Chess is a logical game and if you are down in >>Material you should expect to lose.13 plys is very deep for a chess game .After >>16.g3 it is a lose for Black;the HIARCS shoot out proves this. > >The most important factor in Chess is Kingsafety and not Material. >13 ply is not very deep at all in chess. >HIARCS 8 has no clue at all here. It does not understand, even after a very long >search, that 16...Nh2+ is the critical variation and not 16...Qh2+. >Your shootout is therefore meaningless and proves nothing. > >Michael You got so much to learn Almost all engines choose 16..Nh2+ before settleing for 16....Qh2+.It seems that you do not do much chess analysis with programs in addition to being a very weak player.
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