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Subject: Re: ESPN Embraces Chess and Kasparov-X3D Fritz

Author: Sally Weltrop

Date: 12:57:48 08/25/03

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On August 25, 2003 at 14:23:02, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:

>On August 25, 2003 at 10:18:47, Louis Fagliano wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2003 at 08:31:16, Sally Weltrop wrote:
>>
>>>On August 25, 2003 at 02:10:35, Sietel Monic wrote:
>>>
>>>>I hate waiting for these events. I want to see them so much and chessbase talks
>>>>about them sooo much, I just want to see the match tommorro!!lol
>>>
>>>
>>>I take it with a grain of salt. If it happens L watch it if I can. When it does
>>>it's not really the truth of the matter anyway. We know it's just publicity
>>>advancement for CB and the lining of money in the GM's pockets. They don't have
>>>the gonaids to push the game. They'll take a draw at the drop of a hat.
>>>
>>>I say give the GM's NOTHING to play them. This will give their lazy rearends an
>>>incentive to win as winning is the only way they can get money which is what is
>>>motivating them from what we see when basically their taking all the money right
>>>before they've even pushed a pawn!
>>>
>>>Play 10 games
>>>
>>>money disbursement is as follows:
>>>
>>>a win ------------------- $100,000
>>>a draw ------------------  $25,000
>>>a loss ------------------  $50,000
>>>
>>>
>>>This works out nicely as to accept lazy, sluggish draws inspires poverty whereas
>>>if you deliberately lose to make more you get you ego trampled plus not making
>>>as much as the win. The only way to play is "for the human race" as all these
>>>hyprocries have been spouting is to go for the gold which is what they should be
>>>doing regardless but we know that has not been the case from all these "Man vs.
>>>Machine" matches.
>>
>>Actually, there is a better way to prevent lazy, sluggish draws.  Just have the
>>computer operator refuse all draws offers until the position is completely dead,
>>(i.e., it's a tablebase draw).
>>
>
>I agree that the operators should not so readily accept draw offers, but there
>are also some dead drawn positions which are far from the tablebases.

yea, this will happen too

 As an
>operator I would not like to play that out, either against another computer or
>against a grandmaster. Also, we must admit that the operator has to face
>difficult decisions, and it is easy an unfair to criticize them.
>
>>Or have Fritz itself be the one who accepts or declines an offer of a draw and
>>set the draw contempt factor high so that it will play out most any position to
>>an absolute 0.00 eval.
>
>Good idea! But against really strong grandmasters that will lose more often than
>win.

yeap, a slight downfall in this thinking, it could do well in making the match
more exciting but it could lose more or less for the machine.
>José.



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