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Subject: Re: windows for AMD64 - MMX not 64-bit threadsafe

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 13:05:32 08/29/03

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Ok, so if we are talking about what is available *right now*, not about some
future products:

* Itanium2 has absoulute best FP performance, as well as absolut best SpecFP
rate.
* Xeon has very competive price / FP performance for the uniprocessor system. I
am not sure if Xeon or Opteron is better this week, because all depends on exact
prices and discounts.
* Opteron and Itanium2 probably have comparable price / FP performance for the
multi-CPU systems (SPEC FP rate for the single-CPU Itanium2 is the same as for
the dual-CPU Opteron, so single-CPU Itanium2 system can be 2x more expensive
than dual Opteron system).

For integer performance story is different, but that thread was about FP
performance, right? :-)

Thanks,
Eugene

On August 29, 2003 at 14:41:37, Jay Urbanski wrote:

>On August 28, 2003 at 11:37:13, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>
>>On August 28, 2003 at 00:43:34, Jay Urbanski wrote:
>>
>>>On August 26, 2003 at 20:02:19, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 26, 2003 at 19:01:30, Dan Andersson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Uck! A real bummer since the AMD x87 is a stellar performer.
>>>>>
>>>>>MvH Dan Andersson
>>>>
>>>>I just looked at the Spec2k, and I did not notice AMD x87 is stellar performer:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030728-02428.html
>>>>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030630-02310.html
>>>>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/cpu2000-20030505-02137.html
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Eugene
>>>
>>>Right.  Now calculate the price per SPECFP for each of those processors.
>>>Opteron has *stellar* FP price / performance.
>>
>>That's probably true for the single CPU, but if you add system cost (i.e.
>>motherboard/memory/peripherals) situation changes. Opteron can still win, but I
>>am not sure.
>
>Opteron still does win, by a wide margin.  The only way IPF gets close is if you
>use the new 1.4Ghz 1.5MB cache chip Intel just released as a response to
>Opteron.  The price of a p690 is so high, don't bother.
>
>>But if we started talking about "price/performance" why not look at the ordinary
>>Xeon or Pentium4? They have performance comparable to Opteron (within ~10%), and
>>very competive price...
>>
>
>For SMP server systems:
>
>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030714-02406.html
>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030728-02426.html
>
>Not even close.
>
>If you compare Opteron versus a uni-processor desktop, it is back to
>competitive:
>
>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030728-02428.html
>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030616-02266.html
>
>But I would argue that's not a fair comparison until AMD releases their Athlon64
>product.



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