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Subject: Re: windows for AMD64 - MMX not 64-bit threadsafe

Author: Jay Urbanski

Date: 21:47:18 08/29/03

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On August 29, 2003 at 23:35:53, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

>>>Yeah it could, except that it's 4X more expensive.  The list price for our 2 X
>>2.0Ghz Opteron system is around $6000.  For the two-way 1.5Ghz Madison system
>>that gets 30 SPEC FP rate it's $26,000.
>
>Here is dual Itanium2/1.5GHz/6Mb L3 for ~$15k:
>
>http://www.smb.compaq.com/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=433&FamilyId=1431&BaseId=9443&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=&AirTime=False

Which is a workstation, not a server.  Apples and oranges.  HP's dual processor
server configured with 2 CPU's and 2GB RAM is $22,743.

http://www.smb.compaq.com/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=431&FamilyId=1475&BaseId=9375&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=&AirTime=False

(add a CPU and a gig of ram)

A dual processor 2.0Ghz Opteron workstation is around $5000
http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/cf_step2.asp?ModelInstanceID=180

But let's compare servers to workstations anyways.

$6000 / 28.1 = $213 per SPECFP-rate for Opteron
http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030728-02426.html

$15,000 / 42.4 = $353 per SPEhCFP-rate for Itanium

Hardly "comparable price performance for SMP systems"

Like I said before, the 1.4Ghz 1.5MB cache Madison is comparable.  But still,
what software are you going to run on it other than an OS?

I will admit, I like Opteron.  I think it's a very nice architecture.  The
onboard memory controller is an extremely smart move.  I also can't understand
why anyone would want to throw away 20+ years of software investment to move to
Itanium.  Microsoft should (and does) understand this more than anyone.  Tell
me, how many Microsoft applications are available for IPF natively?


>And I believe exactly such system (zx6000 with dual Itanium2/1.5GHz/6Mb L3) has
>Spec FP rate of 42:
>
>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030630-02327.html
>
>Thanks,
>Eugene
>
>>>For integer performance story is different, but that thread was about FP
>>>performance, right? :-)
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Eugene



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