Author: Jay Urbanski
Date: 23:08:42 08/29/03
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On August 30, 2003 at 01:08:33, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >On August 30, 2003 at 00:47:18, Jay Urbanski wrote: > >>On August 29, 2003 at 23:35:53, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >> >>>>>Yeah it could, except that it's 4X more expensive. The list price for our 2 X >>>>2.0Ghz Opteron system is around $6000. For the two-way 1.5Ghz Madison system >>>>that gets 30 SPEC FP rate it's $26,000. >>> >>>Here is dual Itanium2/1.5GHz/6Mb L3 for ~$15k: >>> >>>http://www.smb.compaq.com/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=433&FamilyId=1431&BaseId=9443&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=&AirTime=False >> >>Which is a workstation, not a server. Apples and oranges. HP's dual processor >>server configured with 2 CPU's and 2GB RAM is $22,743. >> >>http://www.smb.compaq.com/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=431&FamilyId=1475&BaseId=9375&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=&AirTime=False >> >>(add a CPU and a gig of ram) >> >>A dual processor 2.0Ghz Opteron workstation is around $5000 >>http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/cf_step2.asp?ModelInstanceID=180 >> >>But let's compare servers to workstations anyways. >> >>$6000 / 28.1 = $213 per SPECFP-rate for Opteron >>http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q3/cpu2000-20030728-02426.html >> >>$15,000 / 42.4 = $353 per SPEhCFP-rate for Itanium >> >>Hardly "comparable price performance for SMP systems" >> >>Like I said before, the 1.4Ghz 1.5MB cache Madison is comparable. > >Sorry, you are right. Dual Itanium2/1.3GHz/3Mb cache cost ~$7.5k > >http://www.smb.compaq.com/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=433&FamilyId=1431&BaseId=9079&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=&AirTime=False > >I cannot find its SpecFP Rate on SPEC web site, but dual Itanium2/1GHz/3Mb cache >system has score 30.7, so 1.3GHz system's score should be something like 38-39. >$7.5 / 38 == less than $200. Comparable not only to Opteron server (Itanium is >slightly better), but to the workstation as well (Itanium is slightly worse). > >>But still, what software are you going to run on it other than an OS? > >You have C/C++/Fortran compiler, and most of FP applications need just >recompilation. > >I worked with some ISPs (they reported bugs in our compiler), and there *are* >some large CAD-like applications available on NT for Itanium. > >>I will admit, I like Opteron. I think it's a very nice architecture. The >>onboard memory controller is an extremely smart move. I also can't understand >>why anyone would want to throw away 20+ years of software investment to move to >>Itanium. Microsoft should (and does) understand this more than anyone. Tell >>me, how many Microsoft applications are available for IPF natively? > >Most important *server* ones: NT and SQL Server. > >Thanks, >Eugene Wow, one whole application. Sign me up. :)
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