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Subject: Re: windows for AMD64 - MMX not 64-bit threadsafe

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 08:07:03 08/30/03

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On August 29, 2003 at 22:58:10, Jay Urbanski wrote:

>On August 29, 2003 at 16:05:32, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>
>>Ok, so if we are talking about what is available *right now*, not about some
>>future products:
>>
>>* Itanium2 has absoulute best FP performance, as well as absolut best SpecFP
>>rate.
>>* Xeon has very competive price / FP performance for the uniprocessor system. I
>>am not sure if Xeon or Opteron is better this week, because all depends on exact
>>prices and discounts.
>>* Opteron and Itanium2 probably have comparable price / FP performance for the
>>multi-CPU systems (SPEC FP rate for the single-CPU Itanium2 is the same as for
>>the dual-CPU Opteron, so single-CPU Itanium2 system can be 2x more expensive
>>than dual Opteron system).
>
>Yeah it could, except that it's 4X more expensive.  The list price for our 2 X
>2.0Ghz Opteron system is around $6000.  For the two-way 1.5Ghz Madison system

dual opteron is a lot cheaper if i build it from pricewatch. About half that
price. Of course without IBM service then :)

>that gets 30 SPEC FP rate it's $26,000.

oh even more than i had guessed. Holy mother. Also they're not delivering the
1.5Ghz madison cpu's yet, but that's another story.

Secondly to get that FP performance they cheated quite a bit with the compiler
like not following conventions. And i am sure you don't get that HP compiler
delivered with the itanium2s for that $26000, which is the only compiler for
itanium2 that has a good score at it.

Because no one has that compiler, i couldn't checkout yet how they are getting
to their results. Usually such sudden high scores have a bad smell. For sure at
itanium2.

It takes 24 hours to generate a bit of PGO for it.

Imagine that i must wait 24 hours to compile a single diep version!!!

Which programmer on the planet is going to sit and wait 24 hours?????

>>For integer performance story is different, but that thread was about FP
>>performance, right? :-)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Eugene



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