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Subject: Re: Deep Junior 8 YY vs Super grandmaster

Author: George Tsavdaris

Date: 01:44:57 08/31/03

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On August 31, 2003 at 04:20:37, Derek Paquette wrote:

>On August 31, 2003 at 04:04:28, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>
>>On August 30, 2003 at 20:35:48, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>
>>>ok guys,  my DJ8YY engine just played two games vs a supergrand master rated
>>>over 2700.  The first game was a quick blitz game, 25 minutes long,
>>>The second game was 60 minutes, same result, I am so very proud of my openning
>>>book and the engines performance, over the last year and a half I have tested
>>>the following engines vs this super grandmaster, and non have come close to >this success.
>>>
>>>*all these engines were tested in blitz games of various lengths*
>>>Fritz 7 - never won
>>>Deep Fritz 7 - drawed, never won
>>>Fritz 8 - drawed, never won
>>>Chesstiger 15 - never won
>>>Junior 7 - never won
>>>Rebel 12 - never won
>>>Hiarcs 8 - never won
>>>Shredder 7.04 - drawed, and lost
>>>The King 3.23 SKR (and default) - never won
>>>Junior 8 - never won
>>>Deep Junior 8 ZX - drawed a bunch of times, and lost
>>
>>Here is your words from the past:
>>
>>"JUNIOR ZX : This is an AMAZING engine vs humans, outstanding. Its middle game
>>is incredible vs humans...just unbelievable, has brought me many victories
>>against my Super Gm buddy.
>>JUNIOR YY : This engine is more defensive and less of a 'risk' taker than the ZX
>>engine, ,but was designed for the same purpose to fight Kasparov. It doesn't do
>>as well though...
>>the ZX engine was the engine used in game 5, where it found the SAC on H2
>>"
>>
>>In this post you say: DJ8_ZX: DRAWED and LOST.
>>In the previous you say: DJ8_ZX: Has brought me many victories against my
>>Super GM buddy.
>>
>>Something is obviously wrong.
>>
>>From your previous posts you seemed to believe DJ8_ZX as a great engine
>>against humans. Now you say that for YY, although you said for it: "It doesn't
>>do as well though..."
>>
>>I'm confused with your opinions and for the third time i'm asking for the games
>>that Fritz7/DF7/Shredder/CT15/Rebel.... lost or drawn.
>
>I will have to definately think about this,  I might be getting my ZX engine
>confused with something else,
>You have the YY games,
>I will play ZX AGAIN, and see how it does, maybe i'm crazy with a bad memory
>
>But instead of me doing all the leg work, why don't you load up your fritz or
>chesstiger and go out and be dissappointed yourself,

I don't know any GM to play, but ChessTiger 14.0 / ChessTiger 15.0 / Shredder 7
played in two GM tournaments and they won easily. Not to mention Fritz's 8 draw
against Kramnik, with the ridiculous rules in favor of Kramnik and the result of
Hiarcs X against Bareev.
I don't find this dissapointing at all.

>Kurt was drawing these programs, often, and he's 2200 I believe, you'd have to
>ask him,  granted they were on slow machines, but i'd love to play Kurt on this
>one, and see how he does vs this particular program on an athlon 1700.



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