Author: blass uri
Date: 07:51:15 11/02/98
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On November 02, 1998 at 08:22:55, Albert Silver wrote: >On November 01, 1998 at 16:57:26, John Wentworth wrote: > >> Seems like most programs don't offer draws very often. I was wondering how >>this could be effecting the ratings. Because I have noticed that when playing >>programs that lots of times they continue to play in a drawn position, instead >>of just offering a draw. So what ends up happening is that they continue to push >>their pieces around until oneside ruins their position and then loses.If >>programs would sometimes offer draws instead of continuing to shuffle pieces >>around, they might get out of a losses, thus effecting their ratings. >> Sometimes it's just ridiculous, I played Phalanx against Gnuchess and the >>only pieces they had were a King and Queen each, yet continued to play without >>offering a draw.I guess many programs don't offer draws at all, obviously >>Phalanx and Gnuchess don't. Just a thought. > >Of course it is a two-edged blade, but if one side (hopefully the other) DOES >eventually ruin it's position then hasn't the lack of a draw offer been >justified right there and then? Masters and Grandmasters do this quite regularly >against weaker opponenents, or at the very least against opponenents whom they >think will screw up eventually. The weaker opponenent will usually scream foul, >but the truth is more like what Alekhine said it took to beat him. He said (my >quote may not be 100% exact), "to beat me, a player must beat me in the opening, >the middlegame, and the endgame", and of course this applies to draws as well. >If the player complains that the position is drawn (and I'm not talking about >trying to win on time), then why should he complain? If it's drawn now, then it >should still be drawn in 10 moves, no? > > Albert Silver I found that sometimes top programs can lose a dead draw position because they do not understand the position. I am talking about positions that I think that a 2000 player can do draws with both sides against grandmasters(usually closed positions). The problem is not the lack of offering draw option. Uri
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