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Subject: Re: Lack of draw offers, effecting ratings?

Author: blass uri

Date: 07:51:15 11/02/98

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On November 02, 1998 at 08:22:55, Albert Silver wrote:

>On November 01, 1998 at 16:57:26, John Wentworth wrote:
>
>>     Seems like most programs don't offer draws very often. I was wondering how
>>this could be effecting the ratings. Because I have noticed that when playing
>>programs that lots of times they continue to play in a drawn position, instead
>>of just offering a draw. So what ends up happening is that they continue to push
>>their pieces around until oneside ruins their position and then loses.If
>>programs would sometimes offer draws instead of continuing to shuffle pieces
>>around, they might get out of a losses, thus effecting their ratings.
>>     Sometimes it's just ridiculous, I played Phalanx against Gnuchess and the
>>only pieces they had were a King and Queen each, yet continued to play without
>>offering a draw.I guess many programs don't offer draws at all, obviously
>>Phalanx and Gnuchess don't. Just a thought.
>
>Of course it is a two-edged blade, but if one side (hopefully the other) DOES
>eventually ruin it's position then hasn't the lack of a draw offer been
>justified right there and then? Masters and Grandmasters do this quite regularly
>against weaker opponenents, or at the very least against opponenents whom they
>think will screw up eventually. The weaker opponenent will usually scream foul,
>but the truth is more like what Alekhine said it took to beat him. He said (my
>quote may not be 100% exact), "to beat me, a player must beat me in the opening,
>the middlegame, and the endgame", and of course this applies to draws as well.
>If the player complains that the position is drawn (and I'm not talking about
>trying to win on time), then why should he complain? If it's drawn now, then it
>should still be drawn in 10 moves, no?
>
>                                  Albert Silver

I found that sometimes top programs can lose a dead draw position because they
do not understand the position.

I am talking about positions that I think that a 2000 player can do draws with
both sides against grandmasters(usually closed positions).
The problem is not the lack of offering draw option.

Uri



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