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Subject: Re: Position analysis - Fritz 8 took 8 minutes to find move!

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 06:11:20 09/03/03

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On September 03, 2003 at 01:51:20, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 02, 2003 at 19:34:50, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On September 02, 2003 at 14:23:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>I think that interesting positions is positions when there is no clear win for
>>>one side by many moves.
>>>
>>>1)Here is a position that did not happen in my correspondence game but could
>>>happen
>>>
>>>[D]3r1rk1/pp4pp/1n3p2/4pN2/7Q/b1P1B3/Pq3PPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 20
>>>
>>>How much time does your program need to find Bh6 with a draw?
>>
>>Rebel 12.0 (q3) - P4 3.06Ghz - 200MB HTs
>>
>>00:00:00.2	-0.59	1	17	Bxb6 Qxb6
>>00:00:00.2	0.01	1	77	Qh5 Qxc3
>>00:00:00.2	-0.33	2	370	Qh5 h6
>>00:00:00.2	-0.33	2	779	Rab1
>>00:00:00.2	0.45	2	1037	Rab1 Qc2 Bxb6 axb6
>>00:00:00.2	0.58	3	2894	Rab1 Qxa2 Bxb6 axb6
>>00:00:00.2	0.67	4	11251	Rab1 Qe2 Bxb6 axb6 Rfe1 Qxa2
>>00:00:00.2	0.67	4	31274	Bh6
>>00:00:00.2	1.21	4	32849	Bh6 Qc2 Qg4 g6 Bxf8
>>00:00:00.3	-0.21	5	47782	Bh6 Rd7 Nxg7 Rxg7 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qh5 Kg8
>>00:00:00.3	0.50	5	60454	Rab1 Qxa2 Bxb6 axb6 Rxb6 Qf7 Rfb1
>>00:00:00.4	0.64	5	112112	Qg4 g6 Bxb6 Qxb6 Qc4+ Kh8
>>00:00:00.4	-0.10	6	147067	Qg4 g6 Rab1 Qxa2 Bxb6 axb6 Rxb6 Qd5
>>00:00:00.4	0.26	6	169928	Rab1 Qxa2 Bxb6 axb6 Rxb6 Rf7 Rfb1 Qc2
>>00:00:00.7	0.07	7	414375	Rab1 Qxa2 Bxb6 axb6 Ra1 Qb3 Rab1 Qxc3
>>00:00:01.6	0.34	8	1133544	Rab1 Qc2 Bxb6 axb6 Qg4 g6 Nh6+ Kh8
>>00:00:03.4	0.53	9	2779835	Rab1 Qe2 Bh6 Rf7 Bxg7 Rxg7 Nxg7 Kxg7
>>00:00:03.5	0.62	9	2858321	Qg4 g6 Rab1 Qc2 Bxb6 axb6 Qc4+ Kh8
>>00:00:05.6	0.52	10	4889928	Qg4 g6 Rab1 Qxc3 Rb3 Qa5 Bxb6 axb6
>>00:00:13.0	-0.13	11	11893522	Qg4 g6 Rab1 Qxa2 Bxb6 axb6 Rxb6 Kh8
>>00:00:20.8	0.22	11	18906143	Rab1 Qe2 h3 Rf7 Bxb6 axb6 Rbe1 Qd2
>>00:01:03.1	0.41	12	58733576	Rab1 Qe2 Rfe1 Qc4 Qxc4+ Nxc4 Rxb7 Rf7
>>00:01:21.7	0.41	12	77008033	Bh6
>>00:01:27.5	0.69	12	81518907	Bh6 Rd7 Qg4 Rff7 Rad1 Bf8 Bc1
>>00:02:06.7	0.69	13	110129864	Bh6 Rd7 Qg4 Rff7 Rad1 Bf8 Bc1
>>00:06:05.8	0.75	14	286909260	Bh6 Rd7 Rad1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Qe2 Rf1 Qc4
>>
>>>Here is a position from one of my correspondence games(my opponet resigned after
>>>44...Rc1+).
>>>
>>>
>>>2)It may be interesting to see how much time programs need to find 26.Rh3(I
>>>believe that 26.Rxh5 was the losing move of white inspite of the fact that
>>>white's position is not good even after 26.Rh3)
>>>
>>>I suspect that programs may need at least some hours.
>>>
>>>[D]5krr/1b2qp2/pp1ppp2/2n2Pbp/P1RNP2R/2N2BP1/2P1Q2P/7K w - - 0 26
>>
>>q3 didn't get this in ~15 minutes.
>>
>>00:10:08.9	-0.40	15	510937279	fxe6 fxe6
>
>fxe6?
>
>I did not think that it can be good because of Bxh4
>I thought that the only alternative that programs may consider is Rxh5
>
>The main line suggest that q3 even does not expect Bxh4
>
>I analyzed the position after fxe6 Bxh4 for some minutes with Fritz8 and saw
>nothing for white(Nd5 -1.41/13,-1.56/14,-1.56/15)

In 2 hours, it goes back to Rxh5.



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