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Subject: Re: The need to unmake move

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 00:41:08 09/05/03

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On September 04, 2003 at 11:10:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 04, 2003 at 04:54:53, Tony Werten wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2003 at 10:44:11, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2003 at 10:35:11, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 03, 2003 at 10:26:19, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>What is your point?
>>>>>
>>>>>Heh :)
>>>>>
>>>>>You said (remote) checking for fail_high conditions at every node was required,
>>>>>and I disagree.
>>>>
>>>>I never say 'at every node'.
>>>
>>>You said constantly, then I don't know what you mean by that.
>>>
>>>>Each time you get a subtree score, you must send out the score update to
>>>>all processors, or store it locally and rely on remote processors to check
>>>>it in your memory.
>>>>
>>>>Either way, you need remote accesses.
>>>>
>>>>Got it now?
>>>
>>>This is an entirely different matter, you don't get subtree scores "constantly".
>>>
>>>And I still say you only have to access when there is something to communicate.
>>>
>>>If you just quietly exit the subtree on a fail low, I see no need for
>>>communication.
>>
>>I suddenly see the point you're missing. What you describe works correct on a
>>dual machine only.
>>
>>Think about a 4 processor machine.
>>
>>processor 1 and 2 are running.
>>
>>processor 3 runs and starts a new thread on proc. 4
>>
>>Now proc 4 is done, proc 3 get's this (ie he get's a done message, with score )
>>
>>But how are proc 1 and 2 going to know that 4 is available ?
>>
>>Tony
>
>Lock();
>idle++;
>Unlock();
>
>and that does it.  _everybody_ can see "idle" (which is zero 99.9999% of the
>time since processors are not idle that often).  The value is in local cache,
>it costs nothing to test frequently, until a cache snoop discovers the valueeeee
>has been changed.

:) sometimes things are easy.

Tony

>
>The lock can be eliminated if desired, by using a somewhat different meaning for
>"idle".
>
>>
>>>
>>>-S.
>>>>--
>>>>GCP



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