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Subject: Re: Mate in 16 mystery

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 19:03:02 09/05/03

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On September 04, 2003 at 10:20:40, Dana Turnmire wrote:

>In the following position Chess Genius 7 cannot find mate after many hours of
>analysing yet Chessmaster 9000 finds mate in 16 INSTANTLY.  What gives?
>[d] 4r1r1/bB4p1/8/2p1kPKn/n7/3R4/3P4/2B5 w - -



I seem to remember that Genius 3 and Genius 5 have a 32 plies absolute limit.

I assume that Genius 7 has the same limit.

It can see *SOME* mate in 16 (33 plies deep) however because it seems that its
evaluation function is able to see that there exist a mate move in the position
after the 32th ply. It cannot make the mate move, but knows by evaluation that a
mate exists.

But maybe it cannot see all kinds of mates by evaluation and this position turns
out to be one of these cases.

I don't think the problem is check or mate extensions. Genius is very good at
this. The problem is absolute ply depth limit.



    Christophe



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