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Subject: Re: Larsen - Kavalek 1979

Author: Kim Roper Jensen

Date: 05:28:20 09/07/03

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On September 07, 2003 at 08:14:28, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 07, 2003 at 08:05:33, Kim Roper Jensen wrote:
>
>>On September 07, 2003 at 07:53:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On September 07, 2003 at 07:42:00, Kim Roper Jensen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 06, 2003 at 23:59:16, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 06, 2003 at 21:58:14, Kim Roper Jensen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Position from the game Larsen - Kavalek Montreal Tournament of Stars
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]1k6/8/B3K1P1/5P2/1pRr2Nn/2b5/8/8 b - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only move here for black is Nxf5 and get both white pawns and it should be a
>>>>>>draw - according to the notes by Whiteley (its taken from the tournament book,
>>>>>>by Tal, Chepizhny & Roshal)
>>>>>
>>>>>Which move or line do you suggest after Nxf5 Kxf5? With a bit more time, Yace
>>>>>will not give drawish score anymore. Is it really a draw?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dieter
>>>>>
>>>>>PS. I dod not really understand your followup about taking the g pawn with B vs.
>>>>>R. Can you suggest a line in that case as well? At the time, where the g7-pawn
>>>>>could be captured in the line shown by Yace, it was only possible with the B.
>>>>>So, you obviously wanted to suggest a line, that is different earlier. already?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dieter
>>>>
>>>>the last part of with the B against the R thingie must have been a glitch inside
>>>>my organic processor :) But i think everytime black gets both white pawns its a
>>>>draw... see variations
>>>
>>>I think that it is not clear and a program should not have a draw score.
>>>
>>>It may be possible to win by mate attack even without promotion and the side
>>>with the piece advantage has practical chances.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I dont think that White can win it, when both white pawns are taken. And most
>>lines given by computer is with rooks swapped also this will not enhance the
>>winning chances, rather the opposite..
>
>I agree that trading rooks is wrong but you did not criticizing programs for
>allowing trade of rooks but for their evaluation.
>
>Uri

Well I wouldnt call it critisizing, I just wanted to see if any programs
evaluated this as a draw ...



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