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Subject: Re: Opteron 64 bit makes kn/s 100% better(faster?)??????!!

Author: Michael P. Nance Sr.

Date: 08:52:15 09/07/03

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On September 07, 2003 at 11:41:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 07, 2003 at 03:35:35, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On September 06, 2003 at 23:03:31, Sietel Monic wrote:
>>
>>>I was on playchess.com and a opteron user said his dual 2.0 ghz's doubled
>>>compared to a dual 2.0 ghz athlon mp's..... is this have any truth?? He's
>>>looking at 4,800 kn/s on deep fritz 7!!!! thats more then most quads!
>>>I do relize you couldnt have this kn/s with df7 because it's not 64 bit capable
>>>but such programs like deep sjeng or crafty will be this much imporoved???
>>
>>For Deep Sjeng, an Opteron 2.0Ghz would be as fast as an Athlon XP 3.4Ghz,
>>*when running in 64 bit mode*. Also, the Opeteron is much better optimized
>>for a dual configuration as the Athlon is. Given this, doubled performance
>>may be possible.
>>
>>But note that playchess implies he was running Windows, so he cannot have
>>been using a 64 bit version.
>
>One note to dispel urban legend:  "You do _not_ need a 64 bit O/S to run a
>64 bit program."  64 bit support in the O/S helps some things, such as using
>a large memory footprint.  But a program can execute 64 bit instructions even
>when running under a 32 bit O/S.  Sun ran this way for _years_ on their
>ultra-sparc processors.


Dr. Hyatt,Thanks for shedding some light on the Topic. I' m affraid My feeble
Brain can't graps whats going on here. May-be one Day I'll get ,just like
retirement,when You get older.>>>>Mike>
>
>>
>>So it's unlikely that it was true (twice as fast as an Athlon), but it's
>>not entirely impossible either.
>>
>>>Im confused by all this 64 bit thing. Can someone shed some light on what
>>>exactly 64 bit does, and what it may do for chess. I always thought it just >uped the cache memory so it thus made things faster since info travels much
>>>much less time then from memory chips. So very bad at keeping up with
>>>technology...
>>
>>The main thing is that it is easier to work with very large databases,
>>but this is not very relevant to chessprograms. What is important is that
>>the Opteron can do an entire 64 bit calculation at one time, whereas old
>>chips needed to do 2 x 32 bit calculations to get the same. Also, the
>>Opteron uses a new instruction set with more registers, which can make
>>calculations even more efficient.
>>
>>It's not only 64 bits, the Opteron does away with some limitations of
>>the old x86 Intel design while still running old code extremely fast.
>>
>>--
>>GCP



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