Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 19:30:35 09/08/03
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On September 08, 2003 at 22:16:03, Robin Smith wrote: >On September 08, 2003 at 20:45:38, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On September 08, 2003 at 20:29:38, Robin Smith wrote: >> >>>On September 08, 2003 at 19:59:17, Mike Byrne wrote: >>> >>>>On September 08, 2003 at 19:47:04, George Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 08, 2003 at 19:38:21, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>another poster has been warned ...further postings may result in temporary or >>>>>>permanent banning ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I didn't read anything in Dekonig Message that objected to the use of Deadking >>>>>then why should you?? You seem to be in the extreme Minority with this Weird >>>>>Objection of yours. >>>> >>>>No, I believe you are in the minority and I think folks that agree with me >>>>should start speaking up -- it does look like I am the lone wolf here. >>>> >>>>Michael >>> >>>The silent majority .... hmmmm. Where did I hear that one before? Michael, if >>>you were standing up against software piracy I would be the first person to >>>speak up on your side. But that is not what you are doing. You are standing up >>>for the repression of freedom; the freedom of people who paid for software to be >>>able to use their software how they see fit. UBI Soft does not own the copy of >>>the software I purchased. They own the intellectual property. I have no right to >>>violate their intellectual property rights. I have no right to give their >>>intellectual property to someone else. But making their software more useable >>>for me does not do any of that. Perhaps that no-one is speaking up for your side >>>might tell you something? >> >>You are not persuasive. What about the rights of the authors to be paid for >>their software if used. > >I am all in favor of the rights of authors to be paid. Using deadking does not >prevent authors from being paid. Only using CM software that was not purchased >prevents the author from being paid. Ironically I might not have purchased my >copy of Chessmaster if deadking did not exist. I NEVER use CM in the CM GUI. In >the CB GUI I use it a lot. > >> There is a balance, where that line should be drawn varies by people. > >There is a line, as there should be, and that line does *not* vary by people. It >is called the law. The law is not on UBI Soft's side in this case. So you are the Judge? > >> I this case I have made my position clear. Keep im mind the >>only I'm restriciting here is making the "deadking" a non grata subject for >>links and postings. You can still go to r.g.c.c and post and link to your heart >>content about "deadking" > >I never have, nor ever will do so. I *will* defend peoples right to do so. > >>I can tell you about the repression of freedom. Not too long ago, we had a new >>member who signed up with the handle of "mynigga". To some that was just a >>handle. But to others, including me - that was a racist handle meant to torment >>and hurt our black members. To some people, restricting handles to "non racist" >>is a restriction of freedom. But to me and others, it is a restriction of >>freedom if we allow our members to be subject to such torment and hate. > >I agree with your decision 100%. And I don't think it has any relevance to the >topic of deadking, except for your right as moderator to make such decisions. I >have always agreed you have that right. And I reiterate, I applaud your decision >regarding the offensive handle. I come to a moderated forum in part to get away >from such things. But not to have people tell me I can't use something I bought >in the way I intended to use it when I bought it. I am telling you or anyone else to use or not to use something in anyway shape or form you desire. Simply you may not post links to deadking. I think that is pretty simple. > >>So I >>understand your position, but it must be balances with the rights of others - in >>this case the chess programming authors. >> >>They have rights too! > >Of course they do! I never said they don't. And I will defend their legal >rights, too. You seem to think that I am advocateing piracy. I am not. But the >rights of programmers does not extend beyond what has been legally established. >They do NOT have the right to tell me how to use software I purchased from them, >for my own private use. Neither am I. > >-Robin > >P.S. Did you ever see Borland's Kylix license agreement? No, and I don't care. > >"12. AUDIT. During the term of this License and for one >(1) year thereafter, upon reasonable notice and during >normal business hours, Borland or its outside auditors will >have the right to enter your premises and access your >records and computer systems to verify that you have paid >to Borland the correct amounts owed under this License >and determine whether the Products are being used in >accordance with the terms of this License. You will >provide reasonable assistance to Borland in connection >with this provision. You agree to pay the cost of the audit >if any underpayments during the period covered by the >audit amount to more than five percent (5%) of the fees >actually owed for that period." Best, Michael
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