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Subject: Re: please no links to deadking ...

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 19:30:35 09/08/03

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On September 08, 2003 at 22:16:03, Robin Smith wrote:

>On September 08, 2003 at 20:45:38, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On September 08, 2003 at 20:29:38, Robin Smith wrote:
>>
>>>On September 08, 2003 at 19:59:17, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 08, 2003 at 19:47:04, George Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 08, 2003 at 19:38:21, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>another poster has been warned ...further postings may result in  temporary or
>>>>>>permanent banning ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't read anything in Dekonig Message that objected to the use of Deadking
>>>>>then why should you?? You seem to be in the extreme Minority with this Weird
>>>>>Objection of yours.
>>>>
>>>>No, I believe you are in the minority and I think folks that agree with me
>>>>should start speaking up -- it does look like I am the lone wolf here.
>>>>
>>>>Michael
>>>
>>>The silent majority .... hmmmm. Where did I hear that one before? Michael, if
>>>you were standing up against software piracy I would be the first person to
>>>speak up on your side. But that is not what you are doing. You are standing up
>>>for the repression of freedom; the freedom of people who paid for software to be
>>>able to use their software how they see fit. UBI Soft does not own the copy of
>>>the software I purchased. They own the intellectual property. I have no right to
>>>violate their intellectual property rights. I have no right to give their
>>>intellectual property to someone else. But making their software more useable
>>>for me does not do any of that. Perhaps that no-one is speaking up for your side
>>>might tell you something?
>>
>>You are not persuasive.  What about the rights of the authors to be paid for
>>their software if used.
>
>I am all in favor of the rights of authors to be paid. Using deadking does not
>prevent authors from being paid. Only using CM software that was not purchased
>prevents the author from being paid. Ironically I might not have purchased my
>copy of Chessmaster if deadking did not exist. I NEVER use CM in the CM GUI. In
>the CB GUI I use it a lot.
>
>> There is a balance, where that line should be drawn varies by people.
>
>There is a line, as there should be, and that line does *not* vary by people. It
>is called the law. The law is not on UBI Soft's side in this case.

So you are the Judge?


>
>> I this case I have made my position clear.  Keep im mind the
>>only I'm restriciting here is making the "deadking" a non grata subject for
>>links and postings.  You can still go to r.g.c.c and post and link to your heart
>>content about "deadking"
>
>I never have, nor ever will do so. I *will* defend peoples right to do so.
>
>>I can tell you about the repression of freedom.  Not too long ago, we had a new
>>member who signed up with  the handle of "mynigga".  To some that was just a
>>handle.  But to others, including me - that was a racist handle meant to torment
>>and hurt our black members.  To some people, restricting handles to "non racist"
>>is  a restriction of freedom.  But to me and others, it is a restriction of
>>freedom  if we allow our members to be subject to such torment and hate.
>
>I agree with your decision 100%. And I don't think it has any relevance to the
>topic of deadking, except for your right as moderator to make such decisions. I
>have always agreed you have that right. And I reiterate, I applaud your decision
>regarding the offensive handle. I come to a moderated forum in part to get away
>from such things. But not to have people tell me I can't use something I bought
>in the way I intended to use it when I bought it.

I am telling you or anyone else to use or not to use something in anyway shape
or form you desire.  Simply you may not post links to deadking.  I think that is
pretty simple.

>
>>So I
>>understand your position, but it must be balances with the rights of others - in
>>this case the chess programming authors.
>>
>>They have rights too!
>
>Of course they do! I never said they don't. And I will defend their legal
>rights, too. You seem to think that I am advocateing piracy. I am not. But the
>rights of programmers does not extend beyond what has been legally established.
>They do NOT have the right to tell me how to use software I purchased from them,
>for my own private use.

Neither am I.

>
>-Robin
>
>P.S. Did you ever see Borland's Kylix license agreement?

No, and I don't care.
>
>"12.  AUDIT.  During the term of this License and for one
>(1) year thereafter, upon reasonable notice and during
>normal business hours, Borland or its outside auditors will
>have the right to enter your premises and access your
>records and computer systems to verify that you have paid
>to Borland the correct amounts owed under this License
>and determine whether the Products are being used in
>accordance with the terms of this License.  You will
>provide reasonable assistance to Borland in connection
>with this provision.  You agree to pay the cost of the audit
>if any underpayments during the period covered by the
>audit amount to more than five percent (5%) of the fees
>actually owed for that period."

Best,

Michael



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