Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 10:47:02 09/12/03
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Im ersten Match beherrschte j8 seinen Vorgänger noch klar. Warum daher
nun gegen Ruffian solch ein knappes Ergebnis ?
Fakt ist dass das Ruffian Buch noch nicht besonders gut getunt ist. M.E. nach
brilliert J8 jedoch immer dann wenn er lange Varianten aus seinem (guten!) Buch
spielen kann. Spielt J8 ohne sein Buch, so überzeugt er kaum. Das hat man ja bei
Kurts Turnier gesehen bevor das Turnier abgebrochen wurde. Junior lag auf dem
letzten Platz und spielte mit dem wirklich nicht schlechten Remis.ctg.
Junior hat einfach folgendes Problem: um gut abzuschneiden muss er ein gutes
Buch haben, das ihm zudem lange Varianten liefert. Das hat er auch im Prinzip
wenn er gegen Shredder oder Fritz spielt. Spielt er aber gegen einen wie
Ruffian, dann kommt sein Buch kaum zum Tragen. Folgende 2 SSDF Partien
bestätigen meine Meinung die ich schon längst vertreten habe. In Partie 1
verlässt Ruffian schon im 7. Zug das Buch, und danach kommt j8 unter die Räder.
In Partie 2 verlässt Ruffian im Zug 11 das Buch, und J8 sieht wieder kein Land !
Das Buch von Junior 8 ist wirklich gut (auch für das eigene Training) doch wenn
der Gegner (auch) in den Computermatches das Buch schnell verlässt, so sieht J8
schlecht aus. Interessant ist dabei dass Ruffian eher aus NOT heraus das Buch
verlässt, weil das Buch noch nicht optimiert war zur Zeit von Ruffian 1.0.1
Gegen gute Programme ging das für Ruffian auch ganz schön ins Auge, aber gegen
J8 kommt plötzlich die paradoxe positive Komotente dazu, nämlich die dass J8
ohne Buch nur noch die Hälfte Wert ist.
Eduard
On September 12, 2003 at 10:40:35, George Jones wrote:
>On September 12, 2003 at 09:51:47, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>I does not wonder me! Ream my article (german) about J8 on my Homepage too:
>>
>>http://www.beepworld.de/members37/computerschach/
>>
>>Eduard
>>
>>On September 12, 2003 at 04:24:36, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>
>>>[Event "SSDF"]
>>>[Site "Tony Hedlund"]
>>>[Date "2003.09.12"]
>>>[Round "33"]
>>>[White "Ruffian 1.0.1 A1200"]
>>>[Black "Junior 8 A1200"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2672"]
>>>[ECO "A45"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 {book 0s} Nf6 {0s} 2. Bg5 {book 0s} e6 {0s} 3. Nf3
>>>{book 0s} h6 {0s} 4. Bxf6 {book 0s} Qxf6 {0s} 5. e4 {book
>>>0s} d6 {0s} 6. Nc3 {book 0s} g5 {0s} 7. Qe2 {+0.13/12
>>>2:26m} g4 {5:46m (Bd7)} 8. Nd2 {+0.19/13 2:26m} Nc6 {18s}
>>>9. O-O-O {-0.21/16 18:55m} Nxd4 {4:37m} 10. Qxg4 {-0.24/15
>>>0s} h5 {3:59m} 11. Qg3 {-0.26/15 0s} Bd7 {4:03m (h4)}
>>>12. f3 {-0.25/15 7:13m} O-O-O {5:29m} 13. Qf2 {-0.25/15 0s}
>>>Bh6 {3:41m (h4)} 14. Kb1 {-0.29/14 3:33m} h4 {1:08m (Kb8)}
>>>15. Nb3 {-0.20/14 3:25m} Nc6 {1:43m} 16. Bb5 {-0.17/14
>>>1:33m} a6 {4:32m (Kb8)} 17. Bxc6 {+0.60/13 1:53m} Bxc6
>>>{1:14m} 18. Qa7 {+0.64/13 53s} Kd7 {2:32m} 19. Nc5+
>>>{+0.61/13 4s} Ke7 {2:18m} 20. Nd3 {+0.61/14 47s} h3 {3:40m
>>>(Qg5)} 21. gxh3 {+0.74/13 1:53m} Ra8 {3:14m (Qxf3)} 22. Qf2
>>>{+0.83/13 1:29m} Bg7 {1:02m} 23. Rhg1 {+1.02/12 26s} Qd4
>>>{11:54m (Rxh3)} 24. Qe1 {+1.62/12 1:28m} Rh7 {1:01m (Rag8)}
>>>25. Rg4 {+1.88/12 2:04m} Qa7 {1:56m (Qf6)} 26. Nd5+
>>>{+1.68/11 1:26m} Kd7 {7:54m} 27. Qg3 {+1.84/13 0s} Bd4
>>>{8:33m (Bh8)} 28. N5b4 {+1.78/11 1:37m} Bb5 {5:41m (Ba4)}
>>>29. c3 {+1.68/12 2:02m} a5 {2:09m} 30. Nc2 {+1.40/15 4:30m}
>>>Bxd3 {1:24m} 31. Rxd3 {+1.35/13 25s} Bf2 {2:25m (Bc5)}
>>>32. Qg2 {+1.22/13 1:14m} Rah8 {6:12m} 33. Rg7 {+1.36/14 0s}
>>>Qc5 {4:27m (Qa6)} 34. Na3 {+1.29/12 1:13m} Rxg7 {2:16m}
>>>35. Qxg7 {+0.92/15 0s} Qh5 {2:43m} 36. Nc4 {+0.88/14 0s}
>>>Ke7 {2:19m} 37. Qg2 {+0.98/12 1:16m} Qh4 {2:04m (Qc5)}
>>>38. Rd2 {+1.18/13 1:17m} Ba7 {4:11m (Bc5)} 39. Nxa5
>>>{+0.99/13 1:07m} Rh5 {1:22m (Qe1+)} 40. b4 {+1.08/14 1:31m}
>>>Be3 {2:40m} 41. Rc2 {+1.02/15 59s} Rg5 {1:16m (b6)} 42. Qe2
>>>{+1.69/15 2:41m} Bf4 {3:54m (Rg1+)} 43. Nxb7 {+2.04/14
>>>2:16m} Qxh3 {1:59m} 44. a4 {+1.92/14 3:27m} Rg1+ {19s}
>>>45. Kb2 {+2.06/14 1:48m} Rh1 {10:15m} 46. a5 {+1.87/16
>>>13:51m} Rxh2 {9:17m} 47. Qd3 {+2.02/16 0s} Rh1 {4:31m
>>>(Rxc2+)} 48. a6 {+2.67/13 2:11m} Qh8 {2:01m} 49. Na5
>>>{+2.67/13 1:21m} Kf6 {4:34m (Qa8)} 50. Nc6 {+2.85/12 2:07m}
>>>Qc8 {2:36m (Qe8)} 51. Rg2 {+3.06/12 1:37m} e5 {10:33m
>>>(Rh5)} 52. b5 {+3.18/13 2:36m} Bc1+ {3:58m} 53. Kb3
>>>{+4.65/14 0s} Qe6+ {6:58m} 54. c4 {+4.52/15 0s} Qh3 {5:59m}
>>>55. Re2 {+4.74/14 1:47m} Rf1 {2:37m (Bf4)} 56. a7 {+5.13/14
>>>1:56m} Kg7 {1:15m} 57. Nd4 {+4.76/16 2:10m} exd4 {16s}
>>>58. Kc2 {+5.06/14 1:10m} Be3 {3:13m (Rxf3)} 59. a8=Q
>>>{+5.39/12 35s} Qh1 {4:08m (Rc1+)} 60. Kb3 {+6.64/12 2:56m}
>>>Rc1 {2:49m} 61. Rc2 {+6.99/13 0s} Rg1 {3:10m (Rxc2)}
>>>62. Qc8 {+7.74/13 4:11m} Bg5 {1s (Rf1)} 63. Qxd4+ {+8.14/13
>>>3:19m} Bf6 {8:57m} 64. Qf2 {+8.36/16 0s} 1-0
>>>
>>>[Event "SSDF"]
>>>[Site "Tony Hedlund"]
>>>[Date "2003.09.12"]
>>>[Round "34"]
>>>[White "Junior 8 A1200"]
>>>[Black "Ruffian 1.0.1 A1200"]
>>>[BlackElo "2672"]
>>>[ECO "D37"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 {0s} Nf6 {book 0s} 2. c4 {0s} e6 {book 0s} 3. Nc3
>>>{0s} d5 {book 0s} 4. Nf3 {0s} Be7 {book 0s} 5. Bf4 {0s} O-O
>>>{book 0s} 6. e3 {0s} c5 {book 0s} 7. dxc5 {0s} Bxc5 {book
>>>0s} 8. a3 {0s} Nc6 {book 0s} 9. Qc2 {0s} Qa5 {book 0s}
>>>10. Nd2 {0s} Be7 {book 0s} 11. Bg3 {0s} Qb6 {+0.06/12
>>>2:25m} 12. b4 {6:38m (cxd5)} d4 {+0.17/13 2:33m} 13. Na4
>>>{4:04m} Qd8 {+0.11/14 31s} 14. b5 {3:02m (Be2)} dxe3
>>>{+0.28/13 2:18m} 15. fxe3 {1:18m} Nb8 {+0.33/13 56s}
>>>16. Bd3 {18:48m (Be2)} Ng4 {+0.64/12 2:56m} 17. Ke2 {2:56m
>>>(Bxh7+)} Bg5 {+0.79/12 2:10m} 18. Bxh7+ {2:22m} Kh8
>>>{+0.53/14 1:51m} 19. Nf3 {1:29m (Nf1)} Nxe3 {+0.91/12
>>>2:37m} 20. Qc3 {6:48m (Qd3)} Bh6 {+0.84/12 4:03m} 21. Rad1
>>>{8:21m (Bd3)} Nd7 {+1.56/13 3:07m} 22. Bb1 {1:15m (Bc2)}
>>>Nxd1 {+1.58/13 2:12m} 23. Rxd1 {1:32m} f5 {+1.41/14 2:09m}
>>>24. Bd6 {11:05m (Ne5)} Re8 {+1.52/13 1:50m} 25. c5 {5:42m
>>>(Kf1)} Nf6 {+1.76/13 1:48m} 26. Ne5 {36s} Kg8 {+1.84/13
>>>1:42m} 27. Qd4 {1:52m (Qb3)} Nd5 {+2.30/13 2:41m} 28. Nc3
>>>{13:34m} Qg5 {+2.02/15 0s} 29. g4 {2:51m (Nxd5)} Nf4+
>>>{+2.32/11 1:54m} 30. Kd2 {4:50m} Ng2+ {+2.37/13 0s} 31. Ke2
>>>{4:18m} a6 {+2.22/12 46s} 32. Qf2 {57s (b6)} Ne3 {+2.32/13
>>>1:44m} 33. Rd4 {2:40m (h4)} Nxg4 {+2.85/12 1:39m} 34. h4
>>>{38s (Nxg4)} Qd2+ {+2.93/14 1:45m} 35. Rxd2 {2:40m} Nxf2
>>>{+2.90/16 17s} 36. Rb2 {5:12m (Rd4)} Nh3 {+3.21/14 2:57m}
>>>37. b6 {1:53m} Rd8 {+3.09/14 57s} 38. Ba2 {1s (Kf3)} Bc1
>>>{+2.70/13 3:46m} 39. Rb1 {1s} Bf4 {+2.65/14 2:21m} 40. Rh1
>>>{2:06m (Nc4)} Rxd6 {+3.02/14 27s} 41. cxd6 {2:44m} Bxe5
>>>{+2.94/17 1:49m} 42. Rxh3 {1:55m} Bxd6 {+2.94/16 2:56m}
>>>43. Rd3 {1:22m} Be7 {+3.22/16 3:33m} 44. h5 {3:06m (Na4)}
>>>Kh7 {+3.46/15 2:24m} 45. Kf1 {4s (Kf2)} Kh6 {+3.89/16
>>>4:00m} 46. Ne2 {1s} e5 {+3.78/16 4:19m} 47. Rd5 {5:32m} Bf6
>>>{+3.96/17 0s} 48. Ng3 {11:02m (Rc5)} f4 {+4.03/16 2:50m}
>>>49. Ne4 {1s} Bh3+ {+3.94/15 2:59m} 50. Kf2 {54s} Rc8
>>>{+3.94/15 3:01m} 51. Rd2 {3:45m} Bh4+ {+3.89/14 2:03m}
>>>52. Kf3 {11:03m (Kg1)} Kxh5 {+4.27/15 2:39m} 53. Bf7+
>>>{5:15m} g6 {+4.38/16 0s} 54. Bxg6+ {13:17m (Bd5)} Kxg6
>>>{+5.85/18 1:40m} 55. Rh2 {2:53m} Be6 {+6.02/18 0s} 56. Rxh4
>>>{4:23m} Bd5 {+6.05/19 0s} 57. Rg4+ {7:59m} Kf7 {+7.82/21
>>>0s} 58. Rg5 {54s} Rc3+ {+7.88/19 1:00m} 59. Kf2 {3:04m}
>>>Bxe4 {+7.43/16 40s} 0-1
>>>
>>>Tony
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