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Subject: Re: Deep Blue's 8.Nxe6 in Game 6 a forced win?

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 09:45:11 09/15/03

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On September 15, 2003 at 11:23:26, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 15, 2003 at 10:37:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On September 15, 2003 at 09:11:25, emerson tan wrote:
>>
>>From deep blue log file: Nxe6 came from book trivially.
>>
>>Nxe6 is a well known win. h6 is very poor simply. Of course all books say
>>'unclear' and only against Qe7 they say it is a clear loss for black. However
>>show me 1 GM that plays it.
>
>No GM play it proves nothing.

that proves a lot in a line played a lot in chess. i play myself caro-kann too
as you can see in your database. it proves really a lot if so quick in the game
in mainlines, btw this mainline was invented by kasparov in kasparov-karpov if i
may recall, that such a line is not played by strong players. I can assure you
i'm never going to play h6 in that line.

>Maybe they prefer other lines because they did not like to learn the line of
>Nxe6 because they need to learn a lot of lines to play it well.

Stop the nonsense circle redenations please.

If i can play for free h6 without getting bombed to hell by some very trivial
simple playing sacrafices, after which even some idiots who just attack like
crazy will beat you, then i sure will play h6 there.

However it isn't possible to play h6, so only Bd6 is possible after which the
knight is still strong at g5.

I hope you realize some basic things of development very well. IF black can play
h6 there because nxe6 is not going to win, then of course everyone goes h6
there.

However the opposite is true. I am very sure that diepeveen-uri blass
blindfolded is going to be 1-0 there. Oh wait, even in corr games you're just
2000 rated (note that is lower than the computers have when not operated by uri
blass) and i'm blindfolded 2100. Damn, no one is going to bet at you!

>Maybe the GM who like to play this line do not play the opening because they
>know that the opponent does not have to sacrifice and they may need to
>play a game that they do not like.

GM's play for a win with white. Nxe6 wins, so who cares?

>>Oh wait a minute, long before that match Kasparov-Deep Blue, didn't kasparov
>>co-author some books saying Nxe6 is a win for white?
>
>Do you believe everything that kasparov says?

In this case sure :)

>I admit that I did not investigate the position enough to know the result of
>Nxe6 but I think that the same is for you

So with your board rating of 1000, as you are not allowed to use computers there
(btw those are higher rated without you behind the keyboard), you didn't even
investigate it with deep shredder 7.04 yet.

That is really too bad.

Well it doesn't matter 1.h3 is a good enough opening for you anyway to test.




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