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Subject: Re: Deep Blue's 8.Nxe6 in Game 6 a forced win?

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 11:58:35 09/15/03

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On September 15, 2003 at 13:27:35, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 15, 2003 at 12:45:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On September 15, 2003 at 11:23:26, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On September 15, 2003 at 10:37:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 15, 2003 at 09:11:25, emerson tan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>From deep blue log file: Nxe6 came from book trivially.
>>>>
>>>>Nxe6 is a well known win. h6 is very poor simply. Of course all books say
>>>>'unclear' and only against Qe7 they say it is a clear loss for black. However
>>>>show me 1 GM that plays it.
>>>
>>>No GM play it proves nothing.
>>
>>that proves a lot in a line played a lot in chess. i play myself caro-kann too
>>as you can see in your database. it proves really a lot if so quick in the game
>>in mainlines, btw this mainline was invented by kasparov in kasparov-karpov if i
>>may recall, that such a line is not played by strong players. I can assure you
>>i'm never going to play h6 in that line.
>>
>>>Maybe they prefer other lines because they did not like to learn the line of
>>>Nxe6 because they need to learn a lot of lines to play it well.
>>
>>Stop the nonsense circle redenations please.
>>
>>If i can play for free h6 without getting bombed to hell by some very trivial
>>simple playing sacrafices, after which even some idiots who just attack like
>>crazy will beat you, then i sure will play h6 there.
>>
>>However it isn't possible to play h6, so only Bd6 is possible after which the
>>knight is still strong at g5.
>>
>>I hope you realize some basic things of development very well. IF black can play
>>h6 there because nxe6 is not going to win, then of course everyone goes h6
>>there.
>>
>>However the opposite is true. I am very sure that diepeveen-uri blass
>>blindfolded is going to be 1-0 there. Oh wait, even in corr games you're just
>>2000 rated (note that is lower than the computers have when not operated by uri
>>blass) and i'm blindfolded 2100. Damn, no one is going to bet at you!
>
>No
>
>I am not 2000 rated in correspondence chess.
>I simply did not play enough correspondence games to get a rating.
>
>The only games that I have for rating are the israeli final 6.5/8 and now in the
>olympiad I have 2 points out of 3 games with 2 draws and a win(there is a report
>that I have 1.5 out of 3 but that report is a mistake and it is going to be
>corrected)
>
>>
>>>Maybe the GM who like to play this line do not play the opening because they
>>>know that the opponent does not have to sacrifice and they may need to
>>>play a game that they do not like.
>>
>>GM's play for a win with white. Nxe6 wins, so who cares?
>
>I try to explain why not to play the line with black.
>A possible reason is that you do not like options of white that are not Nxe6

This is not a possible reason.
There are only two options. 8.Nh3 is obviously fine for black (please dont ask
me for a proof) and after 8.Ne4 white has lost two moves (Ng5,Ne4) when black
has played the useful move h6.

>
>Maybe the GM's who like to play it with black simply do not like other lines of
>the caro-kann.

This explanation is not convincing either.

Michael

>
>>
>>>>Oh wait a minute, long before that match Kasparov-Deep Blue, didn't kasparov
>>>>co-author some books saying Nxe6 is a win for white?
>>>
>>>Do you believe everything that kasparov says?
>>
>>In this case sure :)
>>
>>>I admit that I did not investigate the position enough to know the result of
>>>Nxe6 but I think that the same is for you
>>
>>So with your board rating of 1000, as you are not allowed to use computers there
>>(btw those are higher rated without you behind the keyboard), you didn't even
>>investigate it with deep shredder 7.04 yet.
>
>My board rating is not 1000
>You invent numbers.
>
>I had a fide rating in the past.
>I lost it but my israeli rating is stable near 2000(the last rating is 1997).
>
>Uri



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