Author: Chessfun
Date: 16:01:08 09/17/03
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On September 17, 2003 at 16:59:12, zeidoun wrote: >Hello every body, i just got the H9. It seems that these engines are very >strong. >After a 10 RR match between a new setting for Shredder7.04 H9 and H8Bareev, i >saw that H8Bareev has a much much aggressive style of play than H9. It tied 5-5 >against Sh7.04 while H9 lost by 2.5-7.5. >When i analyse these games more carefully, i see very good things in the play of >these two new engines. I really like them. Serious testing is needed to know >their real strength. The disaster performance of H9 is certainly due to the fact >that it was a blitz game match. >I used for the three engines my modified Nunn Testset (www.chesslovers.tk) so >that to avoid big influence of the opening books and to see the skills of the >engines. > >Just one thing, Human vs Machine matches are really very interesting for me, >because i like the computer games especially against strong humans. I also like >the fact to have many engines on the same CD (like the experience with Deep >Junior8). The variability between the different engines even if they don't have >the same strength (there are weaker and stronger engines) is very interesting. >It holds all my interests and give me great moments by making tournaments with >new very strong engines. I encourage and send a message to Mr Stefan >Meyer-Kahlen (Shredder programmer) and Mr Christophe Theron (Tiger) to tell them >to make matches against strong chess players, but also to release two or threee >or may be four different engines (even a little bit weaker beta engines but who >works!!). These engines will participate to make the pub for their leading >product because it will result to a bigger discussion on the strength of the >different engines, but also to a greater number of games. > >Hope that you agree with me From the 200 or so quick blitz games I ran with H8Bareev I found it to be of similar strength to Hiarcs 9 which even at blitz is among the very best. However this was the first post I've read here that actually mentions the engine, so I'm not so sure that it'll lead to increased discussion on a specific product. You also mention Shredder but twice they released a Paderborn version for free. With Tiger, Tiger 14 was free for a user of Tiger 13. So it would seem somewhat others already did take that lead. I'm currently interested in seeing if the book is all it's cracked up to be, as in the past H8 and H732 patches to it were required. I'd much rather see a couple of books issued than additional "beta engines" in this case for example a different book for H8Bareev wouldn't have hurt as I'm sure it was different from the one issued for Hiarcs9. And also when I test H8Bareev, should I use Hiarcs8 book or Hiarcs9? I see no information on the subject, as if a book is really "tuned" for use with a specific engine as is often claimed then I'd like to know which book is the closest thing to that for H8Bareev. Sarah.
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