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Subject: Re: how much does eval effect strength?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:04:15 09/18/03

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On September 18, 2003 at 08:45:28, Michael Yee wrote:

>[snip]
>
>>I did an experiment once... I made a version of GLC 2.18 that used only material
>>balance in its evaluation.
>>
>>It played a 20 game match against GLC 2.13.  During the match 2.18 averaged 2 to
>>4 ply more than 2.13 (mainly due to extra cut-offs, the NPS search speed was
>>only about 20% faster).
>>
>>The result... 2.13 won, by 19.5 points to 0.5 points.  This gives roughly a 640
>>ELO rating difference.
>>
>>Normally I would expect 2.18 to be about 50 ELO stronger than 2.13.
>>
>>So loosing the 'positional' part of the eval function seems to have caused
>>around a 700 ELO drop in strength.
>>
>>Conclusion: the evaluation is important.  :)
>>
>
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>
>Very interesting experiment! The result isn't exactly what de la Maza predicted
>in his "400 Points in 400 Days" article on ChessCafe:
>
>   You can refine this experiment further by creating two personalities,
>   one that can see three moves ahead but has no positional knowledge and
>   the other that can see two moves ahead and has complete positional
>   knowledge. The tactical personality, which can see three moves ahead,
>   will win the vast majority of the games.
>
>   [http://www.chesscafe.com/text/skittles148.pdf]
>
>I wonder how much of the 700 ELO points gained in GLC due to positional
>knowledge came from pawn structure, king safety, mobility, etc...
>
>Michael

I think that even a simple piece square table is clearly better than
only material balance in the evaluation.

It is obvious that only material balance is going to lose.

I think that the authour did not mean not to have piece square table when he
said "no positional knowledge"

Uri





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