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Subject: Re: Frank Phillips' KNNKP position revisited ...

Author: Frank Phillips

Date: 01:33:34 09/19/03

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On September 18, 2003 at 19:06:50, GuyHaworth wrote:

>
>Frank's position last week is really 'on the edge' in terms of winability.
>Maximising DTM can throw away the draw for Black, but it does take time.
>
>
>The endgame query service at http://chess.jaet.org/cgi-bin/dtx shows that:
>
>[D] 8/4k3/8/8/4Kp1p/5N1N/8/8 w
>
>requires 1. Kxf4 to retain the win, ignoring the 50-move rule.
>
>
>Then Dwe are into KNNKP with DTZ = 51, but this means that the winner requires
>51 moves, and (given the nature of KNNKP endgames) Black is forced to play 52.
>... h3 but only on ply 103.
>
>White therefore needs to see Black wasting 2 moves in DTZ terms - "Depth to
>Zeroing (move-count)".
>
>
>In the line I followed, White and Black subset their moves as follows:
>White play SZ'Z50-Z-C-
>    i.e. White first 'guards' DTZ, leaving only moves beating the 50-move rule
>         If there are none, White plays SZ-, minimising DTZ
>         Next, White minimises DTZ50 from the remaining moves
>           DTZ50 == DTZ unless the win can be thwarted by a 50-move draw claim
>         In fact, for some time, DTZ50 is 'draw' so White considers all moves
>         Next, White minimises DTZ from the remaining moves
>         If DTZ > moves_left as here initially, SZ'Z50-Z- == SZ-
>         Lastly, White minimises DTC from the remaining moves
>
>[ SZ' == SZ<degree sign> in my normal notation ]
>
>Black has the 50-move rule on its side and plays a simpler strategy:
>Black plays SM+Z+
>    i.e. Black first maximises DTM(ate) and then DTZ
>    Of course, this gives White the chance it needs.
>    Black should though play SZ50+ hre to defend its 50-move draw
>
>The play then went like this:
>
>a)  Black wasted 1 move of DTZ-depth on moves 2b and 5b
>      Therefore, from move 6w, White knows it can complete phase 1 'in time'
>      However, White knows that DTZ50 still says 'draw'
>      Therefore, a later phase can still be forced to be longer than 50m
>b)  If Black could have changed strategy to SZZ50+ ...
>      It could still have got its 50-move draw as late as move 20b
>c)  However, at move 20b, Black drops 11 moves of depth in DTZ50 terms ...
>      ... allowing White to complete phase 1 in 49m and avoid a draw-claim
>
>The "SZ+" part of Black's move-subsetting strategy is hardly relevant.  The
>"SM+" part usually picks a unique move for Black.
>
>Black does not retain the draw with SM+Z50+ either.
>
>Black had a choice of 2 moves only twice - on moves 16 and 17.  I would expect
>these to hand White the win in a similar way.
>
>g

Thanks for the analysis.  Not as simple as it first appears.  I have added an
evaluation term to devalue two knights, but having been caught out before am
reluctant to just say its a draw.

And of course, even the draw is quite balletic.

Frank



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