Author: Thomas Mayer
Date: 06:55:03 09/22/03
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On September 22, 2003 at 09:07:51, Grzegorz Sidorowicz wrote: Hi Grzegorz, >>>Last CCT was only for winboarders in practice. >>>In my opinion it was very bad idea. On the net we can easy find >>>many winboard's tournaments. I can't see any reason why people who >>>haven't got winboard support must do it for this tournament. >>>Tournament without top comercial programs it is not interesting tournamnet. >>>Majority institute justice. >> the things you have said might be true for the spectators - as a >> participant the opposite is true. As a participant I love most those in >> between discussions with the opponents. Also this kibitzing is very >> important in my opinion - it gives a good comparison between the programs - >> in depth and in score. And I never use so much time to watch my engine >> thinking then during such tournaments. So now about the commercials: >> usually it is an operator and not the programmer that participate. This is >> really not interesting, about what should I discuss with that one ? Without >> kibitzing you have no comparisson... The only negativ thing about the >> kibitz and automated rule is, that some amateurs could not participate >> because their chessprogram is written in a language which makes it >> impossible to participate. For me that is the sad side of the rule, nothing >> else. I do not miss the commercials at all. No tears for them... And if >> they really WANT to participate it would be easy for them. But they simply >> don't want to... > Maybe that is right. Operator is not interesting and if commercials not > want play we really can forget about them, but what with programmers using > various language or simply what with programmers who don't know what > is needed to implement winboard support? Not all programmers on the world > good know English. Not all programmers reading CCC. > I don't know, maybe I find problems where problems not exists but > I not like this rules. As I said - this is the sad point about it - some amateurs can not participate because of that rule -> maybe it is possible to find a solution for them. Maybe a logfile is sufficent - and kibitzing some info manually. On the other hand this would open again the possibilities to cheat... Besides: how can anyone know about the CCTs without reading CCC ??? :) At the moment I think the current rules are a good compromise... And who really WANT to participate and knows some things about programming it should be possible to participate. One idea might be a little winboard-adapter that looks for textfiles - if a special textfile exists it sends the move and some kibitzing to the server and if it gets a move it writes another textfile that can be used by the engine - that shouldn't be to complicate to implement in any engine... just a thought - if there is need for it I might try to produce something like that. Greets, Thomas
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