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Subject: Re: Deep Blue's 8.Nxe6 in Game 6 a forced win?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:18:13 09/22/03

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On September 22, 2003 at 08:46:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On September 21, 2003 at 22:10:52, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On September 21, 2003 at 20:04:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On September 20, 2003 at 16:12:18, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>
>>>no way they could predict he would go caro-kann, so the statistical chance in a
>>>4000 move book this line was there till nxe6 is like zero.
>>
>>The GMs doing DB's opening tuning had that position up and running on DB --
>>briefly -- as they were booking it up.  It could be that they saw it would play
>>Nxe6 out of the extended book, saw that it liked its position as White there,
>>and left it alone.  Whether it was in the small book or the extended book, the
>>important thing is that DB was comfortable playing Nxe6 on its own, and they let
>>it do so.
>>
>>Dave
>
>That's just another BS marketing story which is not true.
>
>Just like the marketing story that in a 12 stone double rook endgame deep blue
>managed to keep a draw because every move was perfectly played thanks to an
>incredible big endgamedatabase.
>
>In fact marketing department said something even more overreacted, 30 seconds
>after the game had ended in a draw.
>
>It's here just like that too.
>
>Those GMs didn't even have the time to prepare caro-kann further than move 5,
>let me assure you that.
>
>4000 bookmoves that's something very very tiny!
>
>Also you enter 4000 bookmoves eyes closed in 8 days.
>
>Kure told he usually enters around 2000 bookmoves an hour.

I believe that is bullshit.

2000 moves per hour = 33 moves per minute = one move every two
seconds.  You do _not_ prepare a good book at that speed.  That is
roughly human typing speed, _not_ human "preparing a good opening
book speed."

Please stop making up ridiculous numbers and then quoting them as
true values given by someone else.  Alex can certainly reply here
but I am certain he won't verify your numbers.

_I_ did a manual book for Cray Blitz for _years_.  I did good to enter
a few _lines_ per hour (verifying them at each move).

Forget your nonsensical numbers....


>
>So for the experienced openingsbook creators here, 4000 bookmoves is just 2
>hours.
>
>That typically describes the contribution of the GM's to the openingsbook.
>
>Hsu always believed in autogenerated books.
>
>Only in october 1997 that believe was interrupted rudely by Kure who with a very
>poor program, managed to score many points, just based uponb ook.
>
>- he still does
>
>Best regards,
>Vincent



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