Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:06:12 09/23/03
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On September 23, 2003 at 15:23:03, Michel Langeveld wrote: >>>>>Kure told he usually enters around 2000 bookmoves an hour. >>> >>>>If your claims is correct then it means that he cannot have a good book. >>>>You cannot be sure of no errors with 2000 moves per hour. >>> >>If Alex does as you claim, there will be _plenty_ of errors. He has to type >>one move every two seconds, with +zero+ time for analysis. At that typing >>rate, I'll bet most any amount of money you want that the book won't even >>+parse+ cleanly, due to either his typos or typos in the analysis he is >>typing madly... >> >>Your math just doesn't stand up to even simple scrutiny. > >I know that Alex doesn't enter the moves with typing e2-e4 in an editor but >clicks the moves with the mouse in the interface. I think he uses also >specialized paperbooks for this (which he don't show during a tournament >ofcourse) and his own analytical insight and Fritz. I have the feeling that >Alex, since he can program himself, also (let) made some tools to add certain >games and moves to the Fritz book without humanintervention :-) > >Alex told me in Maastricht (when I was there with Crafty) some numbers of his >productivity. My memory is not my strongest point, and especially not in these >adrialine-days, but I think that in that time I could add 500 moves handtyping >with notepad for the Crafty book on a long evening hard working and Alex could >_click_ (with his mouse in the Fritz interface) the same number in 1 hour. > That's not the point. I can most likely type as fast as anybody I have ever seen. You can ask participants at previous ACM/WCCC events where I played about my typing. But this isn't about _typing_. It is about _analyzing_. It is _easy_ to type say a couple of thousand moves per hour. But that is _all_ you are going to do. What about checking the positions? Catching things like an obviously hung piece due to a typo in the stuff you are copying? Etc. Preparing a book requires a lot of analysis, just like a human does when he prepares something to use in a tournament. And doing 2K moves an hour means _no_ analysis is going on to any degree at all... >The Crafty book I used in that time contained 20k moves. > >Alex is amazing fast ... also with Blitz chess he is amazing fast ... and >remember, since he works in the Fritz interface, this gives he much advantages >in numerous ways. For years I have played blitz chess with Cray Blitz and Crafty. I put 5 minutes on _my_ clock and have at it, playing against humans. I type the moves in, make the moves on the board, and press the clock. And I have _never_ lost a game on time in under 60 moves, and have played _many_ games that go over 100 moves in that time limit. IE I know how to type chess moves myself. > >But luckily ... in this tournament Crafty (with cute hardware and all 6 men >available in that time) could draw against Fritz in the reversed sicilian :-). I >think that to these particulair lines a massive numerous of openingbook moves >are entered to prevent this in future and that Frans improved middlegame and >endgame of this kind of positions a lot. > >Michel \ >who had the honour to operate Crafty on WMCC 2001 ... \ >the the single-and-multi-processor-non-hyperthreading-event-champion event remember that we are talking about a "custom book". Not just a big book typed from Informant or whatever... that is the key.
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